EP 80 - DID LONDON MARATHON STEAL LIAM’S IDEA?! + WINGS FOR LIFE WORLD RUN IS HERE COMING

[00:00] In the beginning, Episode 80, I'm going to say it up the top. Courtney. Subscribe so you don't miss anything because it's no more fun and games. It's serious stuff. Yeah, I need to. I need to. I need to pump my music up. We're stepping into a court of law this morning, Courtney. OK, I have no idea where you're going with this. We are I we have been robbed here on In the Beginning podcast. We've been robbed. We've been robbed. We've been robbed.

[00:30] What's happened? Allow me to play you a piece of audio that happened here on this podcast 143 days ago. I take you all the way back to episode 60 of this podcast for years is it got so big and there was so much money to be made. They made it a 2 day event. Would you Courtney run New York Marathon on day 2? Yes.

[01:01] If day one sold out, would you sign up to day two? Yeah. I can't see there being. Why wouldn't a major marathon? Do a double day. Run it back to back. It's a good. Question, Your Honour, that is a Liam scheme from November 8th of last year. Do you believe that stole your like stole your idea? London Marathon has stolen a scam. You're getting the lawyers on the they we have to Courtney. This is intellectual property

[01:33] that we've created here on in the beginning and London Marathon has stolen the idea. If you haven't seen it, the London Marathon organisers have come out and said that they are looking to make 2027 a 2 day event so more people can take part. Hey, I'm saying good on them because this is what I reckon Melbourne should have done. They missed the boat. They are saying they're continually, continually exploring innovative ways to make the event bigger while delivering positive benefits for London. More than 1.1 million people applied through the public ballot to run in this year's

[02:04] race, which is happening this month, April 26th, which is a 36 year over year increase and nearly double S the application pool from 2024. So if if you think that the running peak or running boom is peak, it hasn't, it's still going upwards. So they had 56. That 56 1/2 thousand runners crossed the finish line at last year's race. Theoretically, this set up for 2027 will give them the opportunity to have over 100,000 runners. Over 100,000 two days now.

[02:35] I mean, it makes it, I think I should have said it before on the episode 60. It makes sense. It makes sense. Here's where I do want to take it, though, because I want to show London that even if they steal ideas, you can't. You can't just steal genius, right? The idea is oh now, because now we need to figure out how we divide the days. Oh, you mean the selection process? That's right. Are you a Saturday runner or a Sunday runner? That's a hard one, Let. Well, I've got some ideas, because that's what Liam's

[03:05] schemes are. OK, although I should share that. I apologise, I don't have your name handy. Someone did suggest an alternate name for this segment. Oh, what was that? Flanigan's shenanigans. Well, now it's a scheme. It's. Worked. I think you got to stick with. I think we think with I would have been. Happy with the shenanigans until. But now it's a scheme. This is this is. Now if London uses any of these, your honour, show us the money, right? First of all, you definitely can't do it by gender, right? Let's just remove that app, OK? Agreed.

[03:36] What do you think of this idea? By speed? Elite race V Party race. Elite race V Fun. Run. I like it. You know that one day will be the race and the next day will be you. You're more fun running. Type I like it but I believe people I would believe majority of the fields or runners wanting to do marathons now wouldn't put themselves into the party class or or or even a fun class.

[04:06] I think everyone wants to be. The whole reason everyone wants to drive to do a marathon is be part of. The big event Well, let me let me pivot then Yep you ready as an adjustment on that because I thought about what you just said Yep phones V no phones if you're serious about running this Mara you. Can't. He ought to drop. It you're not allowed to take your you're not allowed to take photos, IE it's run for PB or run for Instagram. Geez. That's how you divide the the days.

[04:36] That would that would cause some headaches. No, no, no. Which, yeah, it would force people to decide, am I out here to run or am I out here for the experience? Neither is right or wrong. Besides this, let's go. I would that's a really interesting fact. You know, when after you finish a marathon or any major event, you get sent the the survey, yes, you know, it's about beds and bums and beds and all the stuff. Did you run with a phone or did you not? I'll be that's an interesting stat. I want to know SO events. I think I actually think that. And again, this is not, I'm not

[05:08] judging you either way. If you want to run with a camera and take photos of yourself and film the experience, awesome, go for it. But you run on the day with everybody else that wants to do that. If you want to focus in and hit your splits and achieve APB or push yourself and hence you don't want any of that stuff, awesome. You run on this day. Now if you, if you're someone who, oh, I still want to run a good time, but I still want to take photos. Well, you got to make a decision.

[05:38] What's more important to you, your time and your race, or the videos and the photos? What do you think they will actually do? Here's you have an idea. Here's my last proposal and here's the other idea that I think, look, ultimately I think they might just go day one sold out. If you want to run day 2 here it is. The only other way I would I could suggest running it is locals V internationals. Oh, the locals day, that's good too. So you can't you you mate, I've told you you've done some

[06:11] research. I've done some thinking on this and and London again, if you use any of these I want a fee. The Locals Day. And for those that might not be aware, after certain golf tournaments, they then have a day after it finishes in which the local met The members of the course then get to play the course. Under Champions Championship. Under championship conditions, where the course has been manicured to within an inch of its life, they do it at Royal Brisbane after the Aussie PGA champs that happened up there at the end of every year.

[06:41] If you had a locals Internationals Day, what you would do? You'd run the internationals first. Right now, this is elites aside, let's not split hazy, but all your visitors come down, come into town from wherever they've come from, from all over the world, and all your locals come out and show hospitality. They put on. They show how the event lifts and encourages and tourism and all the rest of that. And then your internationals who've done the race and had an

[07:11] amazing time, then the next day they get to go out. Now that I would imagine that the course atmosphere is not as important to the locals because it's kind of, I mean not less important. But if I was to tip it one way or the other, I'd say the locals just getting to run their race, right? So the next day it's locals day and everybody from the UK runs on that second day. And then you have all the international tourists come back down and make a spectacle of it for the locals and return the favour. Yep.

[07:41] So that would be my I. Like it. I like it because deep down I'm kind of going when things get so busy. It's nice to protect it. For locals, yeah, it's just like parking. Yes, and this isn't. Why not have some locals parking? Yeah, you know. And this is and, and what actually then the more I think about it look from a grand scale, from a from an overarching viewpoint, I actually think the IT would be hard to police phones, be no phones, IE what more important

[08:14] your race or the OR Instagram to me would be the best way to divide the the race. But locals, the visitors, yeah, I like it. I think you get a way that a good race committee, a good group of organisers could then find really creative and special ways to celebrate and tailor each day. Because you know, you can then on the the internationals or the visitors day, you can have all your different languages, you can have all your different in

[08:44] the same way that the Gold Coast Marathon celebrates the the Chinese runners by having the we have a a Chinese Mandarin speaking announcer on the finish line because we have such a high proportion of people coming over from Taiwan. For the race, do you know where I thought you were going with that? What's that? I thought you were gonna say on the International Day? You could have all the different food stations at, at the, at the aid stations, like depending on your cuisine. Well. You could do that as well, but I just mean from a what all the signage says because it's all digital these days. And then for the London Marathon

[09:15] you Union Jack the shit out of that course. On Locals Day you just Union Jack it up. Well, depending on which new service you listen to, could go either way. I'm not disappearing down the political path here. All I'm saying is London stole my idea. I've just thrown out that again, it's. A good idea, it's a good idea. I, I, I feel for the organisers in this case because they're doing a great thing by opening up to more people.

[09:45] They're doing a great thing by their own. They're going to make a shit load more money. Yeah. Oh, let's not. Let's be honest. Everybody wins, Yeah. But but my butts is 1 someone someone is going to be unhappy with this situation, right? Because in inevitably what will happen is one of the days will become the day and I assume the day to do it will be. I want to run on the day the elites are running. To me that is maybe to me that is the day because the focus, even though 90 probably, I don't

[10:19] know how many, let's just throw out a number, 90% of people there are there to run and they're not probably not that interested in the elite race. However, as a major marathon, there is global focus on an elite race. So now you're going to say split it? Male, female. Nah, so. Did you not run the male elite race on the Saturday or and and or vice versa and then that way? OK, all right, here we go. Worth of media. Now we're thinking. Two days worth of global media split the elite.

[10:50] Race. And that gives each day global media focus. Otherwise, if you put the elite race on the same day, all the focus is on one day. And then the secondary day becomes a little bit like, yeah. I yeah, I do. I take that point and, and you're right, maybe if you don't have the elite element on the second day, you lose a bit of the, the hype and the excitement. I, I think just splitting it

[11:20] based on when you register is a mistake. I think you lose an opportunity to bring a new dimension to the two days of racing. If they, if they go about this and they make it a 2 marathon day that you can run on the Saturday and the Sunday, what they choose to do with the elites, I agree. Maybe if you split them, do you create that same level of media hype on the second day? I don't know. But I, I just think that they should be finding a way. And the more I think about it

[11:51] and talk about it here with you, I think locals and internationals is the way to go because I think it will give you the ability to. We, we talk about the Gold Coast Marathon. The, what they're trying to do in terms of continuing to level up their marathon is by getting the locals to embrace the race. If you created a local race as part of your weekend, I think that empowers your your local community to rally around it even more than they already do. How quick is it? How quickly are other marathons going to follow suit? Well, I think the may, I think

[12:23] the other majors should look at it. I think, I think the American ones, particularly New York, Boston, those, those marathons that have enormous numbers, I don't think Sydney needs to do it yet. I think those marathons that have the enormous interest registration and again, enormous interest internationally. Yeah. Could you imagine New York and Boston like American athletes if you created? Let's bring this idea to one of the American majors. There's probably a better exam. Imagine if you imagine if you

[12:55] had a locals and internationals race around one of these American marathons. Yep, I can see it working that, that how quickly just playing devil's advocate here, please. How quickly does this curb the trend though? Because with demand, you know, supply and demand, it's simple economics. And we know at the moment there's, there's plenty. Yeah, we know.

[13:25] Hey, I've got a, we've got a little part on that coming today. So supply and demand at the moment, everyone wants to run these majors. You double the amount and well, there's plenty of people to run, don't we? We acknowledge that. But if you quickly every year double that figure, how quickly do you churn through people and how quickly do you you take you take it while you can. I agree. But I do then wonder, does that actually hurt you in the long run on keeping it exclusive? And the exclusiveness of trying

[13:56] to get in one of those majors is what drives the FOMO of going to do them. Otherwise you'd go down the street do Why did so many people want to do Sydney last year? True. Potentially. Can I? Can I? How many? How many ended for Sydney last year? Over 100,000. Over 100,000 so instead of what they ended. 30 a bit over 30 so. Instead of a third of them and then 2/3 who didn't get to do it, wanting to re end it. I think if you did 2/3 of them get in and you've only got a third left, Yeah, you'll cycle

[14:27] this year, yeah, but you're going to quickly churn through. Yep, Sydney is not at the the threshold to justify it. What I would say. Let's take an example of Glastonbury, right? Let's go to a different part of our society and I think music festival, right? Crowd limit. I think the quick Google tells me that when that began, 30,000 people, 1984. These days it's over 100,000. Your increase in capacity hasn't made that any less special, any less desirable.

[14:57] The ballot for Glastonbury is Bunta. So yeah, maybe opening it up and doubling the capacity removes that specialness. And I do know what you're saying. You're right. Supply, demand, the moment the supply is outweighs demand is the moment you lose the spark of the thing. So look. And then and then just thinking, you know, forward thinking what? What do you do when then suddenly you have? Excess capacity. Yeah. Then you're suddenly coming back to like, what happens the day when the, you know, because it, it will have everything. I mean, basketball, every sport

[15:29] cycles. Yeah, on participation, of course. What happens in, you know, when it's going through a quiet time? We'll put we'll put a full stop on it by saying this. London, we know you stole the idea. Pay up. No, no, no. Look, you don't want the money for. It well look, did you? Just want to acknowledge. I'd love I'd love I'd love acknowledgement in the form of two flights, accommodation and entries into the 2027 race. When you enact this idea that you stole from this podcast. Courtney Atkinson and I, the in

[16:00] the beginning podcast should be on the start line for the 2027 race. We'd like to travel in comfort business would be our preference, but some accommodation and and involvement, acknowledgement in the form of being present at the event and will forgo any fee. That's what I'll say again. OK, I've got another scam. I'll bring it back later on. Make sure you don't want to jump in there. No, no, no. We'll bring it back a bit later on. Let's talk some other stuff. Well, we're talking because you mentioned what he said. I asked about parking, locals parking. I got a little bit left of

[16:31] locals parking, but I've got during the week. I got tapped up the bum in the Subaru. Oh no. Yeah, got a little. Just had a Fender Bender. Yeah, just at the lights. OK. I felt, I felt for the young lady too, because it wasn't, I mean, it was just one of those. Yeah. It just, it was slow and it just did enough. Eddie. How old was the was the person driving? Oh, like I would say mid 30s. Can I have a guess at the car? I'm OK. Sure. Was it a Suzuki Swift? No, Oh no, no, no, no.

[17:01] I won't go into who it was, but it it set off a chain of events and in the time we talked about, we talked about petrol before as well. I've ended up with an EV. Really. Yeah, a new not on the road yet. Yeah, a new Subaru's Solterra. They do EVs these days. They have an EV, right? Cool. Now I never thought I'd be sitting here saying no. Oh great, I've got an EV. Yeah, like, didn't think those words would be coming from my mouth.

[17:32] However, when diesel is for 3/20. Amazing. Timing, I'm like. This is gold. Now hold on, this woman who ran out the back of you wasn't king of your. Wife wasn't it very very In Full disclosure, I was gonna get the EV anyway to look at. What's it called? It's. Cel. Jesus, I shouldn't know with my Bruin say Solterra Solterra. No, see this is we go back to shoes and naming shoes. Solterra, Solterra. A Subaru Solterra.

[18:04] A Solterra. OK, so it's an aid. It's an all wheel drive. The new one that's just brought out, right, What's an all wheel drive? Goes on the trail. Yeah, yeah, it's look goes quicker. It well, goes just as quick as my old WRX STI. So I used to drive. Yeah. So it goes like a Clapper. All good drives, but here's the thing what's the what's the problem? Here's the problem EVs everyone talking about how good all this money not paying for diesel

[18:39] brought the thing drove, drove it to about 50% battery not really knowing what's going on plugged it in overnight, doesn't charge to 100%. What do you mean? I've got an issue so I didn't realise when it comes to EVs, you charging so you go to a fast charge, it'll charge in 30 minutes if you pay for it down at Pacific Fair or something. But when I'm just at home here on the 240 Volt, it's going to take me like a day and a half to get the back to full charge.

[19:11] So probably not such an issue for me because I'm sitting at home, you know, working from home a lot of the time and not really driving too much. So I can charge it on solar during the day. But if I'm working and I've got to drive to work and then come home and only charge it at night, I reckon over my week I'd slowly drive loose. Drive loose And this isn't a Subaru, this is an EV issue. And now that you're talking about this, I remember having a conversation with my young fellas, little athletics coach who said he'd done the same thing. He'd got himself an EVI. Can't remember the brands, I

[19:43] don't want to name it, but he's like. Probably a BYD. Doesn't charge in time. He doesn't charge enough. He'd have to leave it on charge all weekend to get it. This is when he's charging home domestically. Ready for thing now then my. So he needs to get a battery. Now bring it full circle back to our diesel problems at the moment is if I can't charge it on solar during the day, I'm charging it on electricity at night. And so you pay it's. But This is why people. Then invest in the batteries.

[20:13] This is my rent. Yeah, but then that's another 20 grand to invest in a battery. Sure. So by the start up cost, by the time you get to the thing like the marketing around, you know, this idea of like, well, I've got an EV, so it's free. Isn't the case, No. But that's not an, that's not a, that's not a sexy story to sell about EVs. But you also then need to do this and but then you need to charge there and but. So it's all marketing, but. It drives amazing doesn't like

[20:43] if you if you drove it out of the like drove it out of the yard or drove it out of the garage and this when driving in it, you're like. This is I get it. Kind of get it. I kind of get why the I kind of get why the young boys are on the E bikes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Hey, can we? We got lots to get to. I do have another scheme I want to get to. Can we jump to we're a week past it now. Can we do a little bit of the Maurie Plant review, the meat? Yeah, the plant, the Maurie Plant review. Well, let's just talk about the main story. There's a couple of other things I want to talk to, but let's

[21:15] talk about the headline. Headline. Gout's got a lot of work to do because Richardson is going strong here, So is Kennedy. Gout Gout's trying to come through, but it's got to be Kennedy who's looking brilliant here. Gout Gout's trying to finish strongly, but. Kennedy takes his second win of the Lachy Kennedy. Yeah, dusting gout, gout again. So I've got, I've got a confession. Oh, here we go. This is great. I had no idea this was on.

[21:45] What? No idea, I got a message on Monday from a work colleague saying oh, watch the Maurie Plant me. And I was like oh great, till you sent me this this morning. Didn't register. Oh, Courtney, this is what I talk about of why it is so hard for sports to make inroads these days. You had a new Surf Life Saving was on this weekend.

[22:15] Because all I'm amazed I was talking about it was local. You know, I often miss the Surf life saving comps when they're on. But in this case, that's my confession. I didn't know until I looked at this. We have. So I'm going to rely on you. We, we live in an attention economy. And if you're not grabbing attention, well, see. The reality was, and in full transparency, I just wasn't on socials over the past. I just haven't had the time. I was doing other things on the weekend and I just didn't look at this stuff, so it didn't have come across my desk. Not great.

[22:46] That you didn't? Well, that you Is it not great that you didn't pay attention to it, or not great for the sport? That it didn't break into your algorithm. But no, no, I'm saying it probably didn't get in my algorithm because I just wasn't looking. So it goes back to like, where was I looking? Where was I getting information or news or obviously I don't have enough friends who care about track. Let's talk about the run itself. Lachy Kennedy who won the 100 metres as well. Gout didn't race in that one in

[23:16] a time of 20.38 was his 200th time. He was only point O 5 second ahead of Gout Gout who came home boy with some speed. As you heard in the commentary. I got a couple of questions I want to put to you about it, but. So I have watched the video now. Yeah, Gout, 18 years of age, the conditions were shocking. It was wet. He slipped at the start and missed it. But as an elite athlete, all the other competitors had to race in

[23:47] these conditions. How much do you think this would be impacting Gout? Gout that again, Lachy Kennedy has bested him. Where? Where's he at? Is he at the point where he was thinking about that sort of stuff? Is he still of the belief that he's the better runner? And again, I'm not asking you questions you don't know the answer to, but you have been at the elite level. You understand your self belief combined with maybe a rival combined with conditions and all the rest and expectations were on race day. You mentioned self belief.

[24:19] Yeah. He believes he's the better runner. That, that, that my God. I mean, I don't know. I'm not inside, but my gut would tell me his self confidence and self belief is amazing. And that was my that's what makes him great too, right? So of course he believes he's better than. Do you believe he's the better runner? Better than Lucky. I mean, the way you come home, then it's it's well, I mean, the better runner is who wins on the day, you know, and, and regardless of the conditions or

[24:50] what happens, it Lucky was better than him this weekend. Who would I put my money on if they raced again? Probably get out, Yeah. Yeah, it's still back in despite like if they lined up today in clean conditions. In the 100, probably a different story, yeah, but over the 200, Yeah. I mean, did you? He came home. It was amazing, but he still came home second. The other thing, just an observation for me for that race, what I loved was watching these two athletes, completely different physiques, completely

[25:21] different styles. You know, the idea of is more than one way to skin a cat. Yeah, we saw it. I'm excited in this race though. The whole, the whole dynamic of this, like I hope this goes for years, I hope they both are still battling this close when it comes to, well, Brisbane, definitely LA, which should be in LA, but Can you imagine Brisbane and we've got like 2 really classy sprinters. And and there's look like he's 25 and so we're six years off.

[25:51] So he still should be, you know, performing hopefully at the 3031 years of age. It did make me think because I went looking after I watched this, I went looking for individual Australian athletes rivalries, right? Yep. Hard to find. There's not been a lot of great one on one Australian athletic rivals or in any sport for that. Mate, I've got, I've got one straight off the top of my head. Who would you? Who would you? Well, look, I couldn't honestly, I couldn't really find any at of note necessarily, I mean.

[26:24] Thorpe, Perkins? Thorpe, Perkins but but they yeah, 400 OK, you had the one that was Rafter Philippoussis, but they met in AUS open final and they didn't. I think from my research, they only played each other four times in their career. Yeah. Gainesford, Freeman, Over 200. Gaines for Freeman over 200 Yeah, OK. It's my the, I think the reason I started looking into it because I was thought we could have an an athletics rivalry that's going to be relevant on

[26:55] the international stage as well potentially that which got me very excited. Do you think it would be on the international stage? I don't know. Well, look if lucky Kennedy, if they both become sub nine second runners or sub 10 second beg your pardon, Sub 10 second over the 100. It is relevant on the international stage if they if they get to international meets, Olympics, world champs, whatever it is and they're both capable of performing sub 10 runners they there's every chance 2 Australians could make a final at an international meet here. Wanted to ask you greatest rival.

[27:26] Who was your greatest rival throughout your career if you had to name an individual? Well, later, later days around Olympics was Brad Kahlefeldt felt here in Australia like as an Australian dead because we were the 2 Olympic guys who were racing through that period for Australia in the Olympics. But that was only for that period and those specific races. Earlier days, like when I started, there wasn't really

[27:56] one. But when I, when I first started and I was doing the TV racing and like when I went through the period where I was winning, it wasn't just like one guy, it was like multiple different people over different years who tried. Was there someone you considered your greatest rival? And you're probably answering my next question here already with the way you're reacting, not. Really. Because it it changed and I wasn't, I didn't race like if you said triathlon might like the peak period, I was in

[28:28] triathlon. What was the biggest rivalry? I would have said Javier Gomez and Alistair Brownlee. OK, but they didn't like, they didn't win every race, but they were the two that mostly raced together to try and win the big races. Because what I was going to ask was, and again, you probably aren't, although maybe the the rival with Brad, how much of the rival occupied time in your head? You know what I mean? Because I look at Kennedy and Gout and I wonder moving forward, how much lucky Kennedy will think about gag.

[29:01] Well, you know how much? I've actually got a really clear and good answer to this. If it's consuming time in your head, you're not doing good enough because you're starting to you're you're you're taking a step back and going. I'm racing the Aussie. Yeah. But your, your problem is I'm racing the world different. If you're the number one and two in the world, yeah, but if you're not the best two in the world and you're worried about the other Aussie you've lost, I can tell you from experience you've lost. You've actually lost the race.

[29:31] Great. Because the race is whoever's the best in the world. So right at the moment, I'm hoping Gout is worried. Well, not worried, but you know, that's why I said his confidence. I believe he's thinking he can be the best in the world. I think possibly when it comes to Australia then everyone else is putting them as head to head. Yeah, great. Quickly before we move on from the Maurie Plant, mate, because there are other things, couple of other things I want to talk about Claudia Hollingsworth. I heard Bruce, I think I heard

[30:04] someone's called it Claudia Hollingsworth. So I don't want to get her name wrong, but 20 years of age took out the 1500 metres at the event, knocking off the newly crowned women's world indoor champion from Great Britain, Georgia Hunter Bell. 20 years of age, great race. We know we've got Jess Hull who has been doing what she's been doing over that distance on. All the indoor world stuff. But Jess at 29 and now you've got Claudia at 20.

[30:34] Middle distance for Aussies. Exciting. Yeah, I mean, that's top of the world stage, right? But middle distance running stop for the Aussies across both male and female, it's just, it's just booming. I mean, like that Falls Creek camp, that majority of the runners are kind of going up and running in. You know, it's a place now where, you know, in the past you've had the best of the Aussie runners going up there. But that's a true world class, you know, true world class field of runners up there doing training sessions together now.

[31:04] One more, one more thing, and last thing from the Maurie Plant mate. Someone who wasn't there but has made headlines off the back of this and this is we talk about, we see running going through a boom and becoming reaching new levels. Running has reached the fake news level now here in Australia. OK, because Jess Hull's father, who's also the coach for Jess Hull, has had to come out and declare fake news on a News

[31:38] Corp story that ran last week saying that there was an animosity between Jess and Athletics Australia. Really. A report published by News Corp on Wednesday afternoon said Hull would not be running at the Maurie Plant made in Melbourne on Saturday night because of a thawing in the relationship between Hull and Athletics Australia over the past 12 months. The report also said that Jane Flemming, who's the a A president, had got in contact with Hull in an attempt to mend bridges but was unable to change the situation.

[32:10] So that's what gets got reported in the lead up to this race by News Corp, by News Corp. Just how undeniably our highest profile, most successful track athlete, I would argue right now in the world and then this is the headline is that Aussie's best doesn't want to run here. Hull came out, her dad and coach came out on Channel 9 on the weekend and says absolute bullshit, he said. He said that she's not racing there because of her gruelling competition and travel

[32:42] schedules. She said we've never had any issues with them. It's bizarre. He said. If they were doing any shocking stuff, he'd be the first to tell everybody. He doesn't want Athletics Australia to copy any hate over this. It's not true, Yeah. Wild and. I was like, wow. Running has reached fake news level. Fabric complete fabrication. He's come out and just gone. It's not none of this is true, which to me it's just mind boggling on where somebody's managed to fabricate a story

[33:15] like this. I love that I. Wonder where the seed though got planted? Because, you know, generally there's something within something. Even when it's fake news. It doesn't just get pulled completely from thin air. That's what I'm saying. Look and there might have been a seed of something, but I love. Could be someone at the the pub after the race and someone was joking they ever heard. Like there's always something. But then I love that Simon and good on him for getting on the front foot and just go. This is not true. Yeah, so good on time.

[33:48] Anyway, that was the last of the stuff from the Maurie Plant, mate. But for great event, I love the scenes on TV seeing Gout Gout and Lachy Kennedy just being inundated. Look, track field athletes as well. Nina Kennedy was super Nicole. Nicola Olyslagers won the high jump again. We're flying. Athletics is going good. 100% yeah. All good. So your running polls have arrived. Running polls have turned up. Big shout out to Salomon man Pete has sorted me out with some running poles and if I can talk

[34:20] to you so this is obviously we're counting down to the mile that we're inside 5 weeks to this thing I'm. Particularly, is it that close? Yeah, wow, I got a month and a week. I got 5 weeks until this race and I'm really excited because this weekend for a lot of people, long weekend, Easter weekend, so I'm going to be utilising the extra days to obviously get up in the trails more, experiment with these poles, learn how to run these poles. People might have seen me earlier on in the week running around Burley Headland. Be around Burley. But but imagining I had poles.

[34:54] Trying to get a feel for it. Before you had them, I was like I was running up. Imaginary poles. There's that really quite steep hill on the Gold Coast Highway side of Burley Hill and I was doing some laps of that, imagining that I had poles in my head. But I'm going to be out and about in the trails this weekend, experimenting with these polls, practising with these polls and hopefully. Hopefully they they they help. Well, hopefully people have told me I've had, I've had varying levels of feedback about polls and running with them as from their cheat code to they kind of get in the way to I don't use

[35:26] them at all. So with the polls. So in the end, Solomon helped you out. Was there a choice of polls? Is there different? Because you asked me and I'm like, I've never, I don't never done races. I wouldn't, yeah, use polls. So give us some info. Well, or did you just? Is it just like usually these are the running? Polls, I messaged my old mate Pete. Because I said to you, you need the ones that not, not ones that break in half. You need the one that like and there's a bungee cord that. Correct. So these are the poles, ultra carbon foldable.

[35:58] I'm just bringing foldable that's yeah. So basically. Tech word for. It if I can be truthful about it. Yep, I thought I broke them the moment. I What are they called? They're called the poles. Ultra Carbon Foldable Designed for every summer adventurer, Salomon's Ultra Carbon Foldable poles feature an ultra like carbon shaft that can be easily split into 3 sections thanks to the simple, reliable and intuitive split second folding system. Now the moment I took them out of the pack, I was like I, I connected them and and they

[36:32] weren't staying connected. Like every time I picked them up, they would just fall apart into three things. There's a little button, so you need to push it. It's kind of like when you set up a, a camping chair, A camping, yeah, yeah. And it clicks in and once that clicks. In oh, I can I can see it here. It drags tight. Yep, and then to release you push the button, the button and it release. So I haven't used them yet. They look fancy. At time of recording I have not used them yet but I will be out and about this weekend. So if you see me, what size did you get? I went 120, 20 centimetres,

[37:03] which for someone of my height is the is the. Recommended side You just took the guide. Yeah, I just went with the guide. So I will be out using poles this weekend, which will be fun. And look, as I build in and these next couple of weeks are going to be all about elevation for me. It's all about getting elevation. I'm going to be spending a bit of time on on stair machines as well, because I want to build continue to build that What I will say is training works guys, because I know I talked a bit about it after recovering from the T100 and the noose of 50K

[37:33] race and thank you to I had so many people message me saying after the noose of 50K saying right, job done now on to the next and and listening to last week's episode and saying I think they were all a bit worried that I was getting down on myself. I've had so many people mate, that wasn't your grand final. You will have a different mindset going into all that. I hear all that feedback and I appreciate it all, but this weekend it's going to be all about finding elevation. I went for a 19-K run just

[38:05] around Currumbin and Tugun area last Sunday. It's the easiest 19-K run I've ever done. Off the back of it. 5 minute pace, Yep. 19 KS flat. I could have gone. I could have done that again. Yeah. It's amazing what training will do for you. Well. But also consistent training without consistent training, good recovery and not peeking up and down too much on the different things. Hey Mel, just on crew shouting you out and all that. Mel Barker writes in a fair bit.

[38:36] So I just want to give a shout out. And she was saying epic result for your 50. What? And the only reason I'm reading it is because I was right here. What what Courtney said read the Miler is an adventure. Breaking it up, listening to all the peeps who do the over at the UTMB how they they break up the race in the same way. So yeah, that she applies it to her ultras. You'll be fine. But a few things on your nutrition. She likes the honey and cola. Honey and cola gels.

[39:11] They'd be spelled cola. Yeah, OK, honey and cola gels, but pure tailwind. Tailwind. I haven't tried Tailwind before. I tried Tailwind. No, I should. Because they've got they're like really quite liquidy soda, salted electrolytes. The new one. I hadn't heard of that one. And then she does use baby food, but says only the fruit puree. Okay, don't go for it. Did you do you on the custody type ones? I had the. Banana and oatmeal. Which would be thicker? So go for the more like an apple puree might work. Okay, yeah, and shit loads of lollies.

[39:43] She's recommended and then some other things. All the way from Wellington and New Zealand. Oh. Shout out Mel. Yeah, bloody legend. Thank you. Appreciate that. Yeah, look, the I'm gonna the other thing about this weekend, as well as the poles and the elevation is continuing to experiment with my nutrition. Have you locked down the support team yet? What do you what do we call them? What did Polly call them? What do I call them? The handlers. The handlers? The crews I Not yet. No, not yet. I'm still waiting to see if you're going to come down. Or not OK. No, I've been chatting with some

[40:13] mates who are also running it as well, so we're looking to, you know, ease the burden on our friends and family by trying to come by now. I was going to, I was planning on driving but just got doubled. You got the, you got the EV now. I have to work today. Does Tamworth? Does Tamworth have charging? I don't know. I don't know if you'll get there if if you go halfway. Hey, Speaking of T100 Noosa Ultra, can I throw a scheme at you? Can I bring it back? Yep. Is this? Is this the early one? You're gonna start this.

[40:43] Is the early one that I'm gonna bring back. I didn't put the air con on today. That's OK. It's hot on hot in here, Courtney, or you're just getting nervous. No, I'm getting excited and listen up London Marathon and all you other race. I know you've subscribed. OK, We've got all the data. We know that the race organisers for all the big races here and abroad are listening to this podcast for this exact segment. We live in an attention economy, Courtney. Correct. That we do. And as you proved with the Moray plant thing, if if you're not looking, if it doesn't get fed

[41:15] to you, people don't know about it, right? Back in the late 2000s, early 2000 and 10s, the NBA embraced social media and digital promotion, right? They basically said to anybody and everybody, whether you're a rights holder or not on Twitter, because it was massive at the time and Instagram as well, go for it. NBA being use National Basketball Association, use our footage. If there's, if there's a LeBron James dunk, put it everywhere, right?

[41:46] I've heard this here. And, and as a result, NBA huge most consumed became the most consumed sport in the world, most league in the world, yeah, versus the NFL, yes, which went for a restrictive stance and said if you're in a riot holder or you're in a third party that's thrown some cash away, you can't use these things. Same as the Olympics. The The Olympic attitude right races when people sign up as a

[42:17] competitor, give them their photos for free. Don't send them an email a week later saying here are your images with a big watermark over it and a cost for them to then get their photos to use. We live in an attention economy. If you want your race to be front and sitter and exist beyond the race itself. And that day, let your competitors let your races. Let your participants then

[42:50] reshare and celebrate what they just did for the next 2-3 days by giving them their photos for free. Yeah, it's it's I mean it being around some events, small events, not like 10s of thousands of photos either, but you can always drop photos in on time codes. But with the events like something like Red Bull Defiance, that was always a focus. So three day adventure race get the drop just a drop box full of images. If you see yourself in there, go for it, take it, share it. I mean that's the whole well,

[43:24] there's two ways one one way you put an event on is for marketing purposes. So you want to get the information out there in the awareness, but even if it's not just for marketing purposes, it's for marketing purposes to sell the entries for the next year, right? And that's where these big marathons go. So I could not agree. If you are looking to create a digital footprint from your event, if you're talking the everybody has social media these days, everybody wants, it's not about wearing the metal in the office anymore. It's about showing your friends and family on social media that

[43:54] you did this thing. Now, they can obviously take photos of themselves, but if you give them the ability to access a photo from the event, they will use it, they will share it and it will continue. The shadow of your event will grow longer and stronger beyond the fact. Now I understand to you then organise the little listening and I know you are. You'll go. Oh but that's the source of revenue. OK, well guess what? Give it to him instead of a race top. Give it to him instead of a

[44:24] tower. Give it to him instead of a piece of merch. That's a good I haven't done one of these for a while. A poll on our socials. Great. But it's taken a note. Poll on the Socials 4. Would you opt for if you were given if you entered a race, triathlon, marathon, fun run, whatever it was, and you were given the choice between free photos free photos of you in the event. Or a or. A piece of race merch, even a medal. OK, what about a finisher shirt?

[44:55] A finisher shirt. OK. Which would you rather have? Finisher because I've always wondered about the finishers T and like, I'm not the perfect, I'm not your average participant. No, that goes in it. But I've always been like, do you really want the race shirt? But that's the main thing I get feedback on of. People on a race shirt. You want a race shirt? Well I wonder if it was a choice between a race shirt or free high quality images of you experiencing this race. Can people go for?

[45:26] Yeah, like you're on, it's a good scheme. It's a good scheme, it's good. Can I use that as a really like good segue but it's as unashamed? Plug here an event that I support every year which is charity style event Wings for Life World Run. Such such a good event. So it's on Sunday the 10th of May this year, but pretty much all around the world you start at the same time no matter which country you're in. So you're going to be out of got the number of runners they get

[45:57] across the world now. But effectively you run, you start running and a virtual car chases you and you just run as far as you can before the car chases you and it speeds up. So you say, you know, if you're a good runner, the winners get out to 50K. You know, I think if you're a reasonable runner, you might get a half marathon done. And if you walk or in this case, because the charity's all based around finding a cure for spinal cord injury, if you're in a wheelchair, you'll, you'll get about 7 K done still walking or rolling along. Now T shirts for this year are

[46:29] back. So with an E with the get this one. Here's here's here's a good one for everyone listening for a $28.00 registration. You get within that registration a free Adidas Adidas Wings for Life World Run shirt. That's awesome. You can't. You can't buy the shirt for 28 bucks. Here's the cat show. You have to turn up to pick it up at the event. Good. So you sat there's an Sydney,

[47:00] Royal Randwick Racecourse, Newcastle, Canberra, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth. So if you are in any of those locations, I'll put up some of the I'll put that in our notes as well. If you're in those location, you got 28 bucks and you want a shirt? It's a that's that's how you can actually. Think about it, a walk. It's a no brainer. I've run the I've run the Wings for Life World Run twice, both times in Sydney. I did once when it was through Centennial Park, and then the other one I did was down on the

[47:30] foreshore near the Opera House. Yeah, right. And that was that one I ended up running. I didn't plan on it. I went out for just with my running crew, the runners in the dark mob and ended up running 22 car. Yeah, right. But the one in Centennial Park was always playing a lot of people. There was a lot of people. And that was part of AI was training for something. Unfortunately, there's no QLD Live event on. You can still get on the app and go out and run by yourself and make a donation to the to the. Drag your run crew again. Or the run crew. But I've got the very first

[48:00] year, so this has been running for belief. I hope I got my information right. 12 years now. The very first year I ran, it was over in Busselton. So they'd run the Busselton Half Iron Man and I believe I raced in the bus and half. I'm in the one day and then the next evening we used some of their infrastructure and did the course. But the course literally ran from Busselton S down the WA coast One Direction. Oh, cool. So and then they just sent buses

[48:30] out to catch. That's cool. Now here's the thing. Logistically painful, but. But cool, I just raced the half I'm in the day before and I didn't like I obviously didn't want to go and run a marathon or something the next day. But I as part of being around Red Bull, I had there was live TV coverage around the globe. So we had a live TV car with us. I'm running down and my whole instructions was just keep us in the top ten in the world. So when we cross to you, we've got Australia on the map.

[49:03] So the pressure was only just stay in the top turn, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But being embossed in pressure to start at 9:00 PM at night or whatever it was I think 7 over there literally massive spotty at the back of a Hilux or something on me with cameras now about 30 K through it. I give or take I I was fasting to go to the toilet, but I've got live comms in my ear going. We might we can cross to you live at any time. Oh my God. That's I hated. I waited.

[49:34] I waited and then I eventually said to the guys on the truck, look, I can't wait. I ducked into the bushes in the dark, got it done, back out. Oh. Tell me I was thinking there about the cross ears like the same from LED from naked garden well. Leslie Nelson, you know we're all we tell. True stories. We tell true stories here. Can I give a quick shout out to Paddo Nick Patterson, who listens to the podcast Bit of a Runner? He's a farmer from Victoria. And he was the groomsmen that walked down the aisle with my wife as a bridesmaid at a wedding I was at down in Renmark over the weekend.

[50:05] So just did you know Patterson do the no, I didn't know no, my I I when I met him after the reception of the wedding, Alana said my wife said the groomsmen I walked down with listens to the podcast. So. Yeah, it makes you feel like, well, when it happens to myself, it it does make you feel like, because it's something I feels great. Yeah. I mean, people would recognise you from radio. Sometimes when I raise people recognise me when someone says I actually listened on the podcast, I'm like, you listen to that stuff. Honestly, I get more people come

[50:36] up to me and maybe it's a talk it maybe it's an interesting conversation about the relationship between radio versus podcasts. I get far more people come up to me about the podcast than radio. Yep. Well, one just literally happened. When was I running? Sunday morning. I was walking out in a rainforest, ran into Darren Wallace, who I, you know, I've crossed paths with a few times at different things. So he ran the spices rim trial with me when I was out there with the flight centre mob and a

[51:06] few things like that. But I, I got chatting to him and he said, oh, you know, love and listen to the party. Done tried Hyrox, he's back. But he's doing what we call, let's say running tourism. So he gets with his his wife and his mates and go, OK, what's an event we can do and then let's organise a holiday around it. But the the wives have to do, you know, tick off right. Well, it still. Was needs to be a family holiday. Yeah, so Darren was telling me the next event he's going to is the like Ikara.

[51:41] Ikara, you're a S Australian. Where's Ikara? I don't know. I've got to be. In how do you spell it? Ikara. I know where it is. Flinders Rangers. Oh, it's up in the Flinders, OK. Hang, can you say that reaction again? Ah, it's up in the Flinders ranges. It's up in the Flinders. Can you? People just call the race what the race is, yeah. Please, that's a. If you want a marketing tip. Here's the tip if the races. Are the Flinders ranges please

[52:11] just say the races. As soon as you said Flinders ranges I was like, I'm 'cause I remember I told the story about my favourite trail coming off St Mary Peak. Yes, it was one of my favourite runs ever and as soon as you said that I was like on interested. Well, where's the course go? Does it go up through the pound and everything else? So they've got like A50 KA miler out there. So a little bit of a shadow to that one. Looks like you're pretty much running in somewhere in Alice Springs out like West Max or something. You do 1000 metres of elevation across the miler. It's one of my favourite drives around the back, the backside,

[52:44] not the pound itself, but around the backside and that's where the run goes through. So like fantastic. Anyone who's got a chance, it's on. I think it's on in May. Do you know what we? Here's my work for you and I next week. And I know we've kind of touched on this a little bit, but a challenge homework for both of us, right? We have to come up with now you have an 18 year old or a 19 year old and a, it's 4/13/14. They're about and you've got a, a wife who's very active. I've got a wife who's active,

[53:15] who loves running. And I've got a nine year old and a five year old. We both have to next week on the air present. All our best. Holiday holiday with an event incorporated and you have to show your working to show I, I. I don't even have to. I can just give it to you, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I can give you the ultimate like us as a family families OK holiday right today and. No homework needed. I don't want. I don't want. This I like I we could do this.

[53:46] OK, Whitsundays. Yes, I'm already I'm. I'm I'm. Tick. OK Half marathon on Whitehaven. The Whitehaven half. OK, we do five days on a catamaran. Oh. Damn it, you've done it. You. Pull up. Well done. You pull up. Well done. So I I mean, I've got images of this I can show you. Pull up at Whitehaven. We're on our cat. Yeah. Waiting for the big ferry to come round with everyone. And you're just like, ah, night before barbecue on the boat.

[54:18] Coming up on Sunday 24th of May like. If if if there's a cat you know for five days, you're probably. Who runs that? Who's who's the event? Well, who's the event called? Steve Jackson OK, I was thinking organizationally, but you just gave me the name of the bloke. No, no. Hamilton Island, Yeah. So they do the hilly half, but they do the white Hammond half. But no, forget. I've never, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, forget trying to find a loophole in this one. It's just a good. It's fantastic.

[54:49] That's it. My kids would love that. The idea of being. I've never done like a boat catamaran type holiday before. OK, so now we're going to have to book it quick because. Well, we probably look, I probably am not going to be in a state to run the half marathon after the Mila you. Still want to come on the boat? Yes. OK. Are you going up for it this year? Oh. My now I've come up with this idea, haven't I? It was actually on the spot. What a great I did want to go. This is an event. This is an event. I've said because I've done the hilly half, I've done the triathlon all at Hamilton and

[55:20] this is the and I've done the swim on Whitehaven. Yes, I just haven't done the run. So I've said a few times, hey, I'd love to get back up and do the run. All right, Never occurred to me. Why don't you just get a cat while you're there? Because we've done the whole last year. Amazing day. That would be an amazing. Do you want a week to you for your no, no, I mean to pitch your idea. I'm just jumping on look what I'll try and do next episode. In fact, we could turn this into a little segment on the pub, which should be like, travel

[55:52] agent, tourism, travel agent, Oh no, travel athletic agent. I'll come up with a name for it. The point is Courtney has come out and just thrown an absolute slam dunk down for without any prep for as a as an active holiday. I'll try and come up with one for next week that I would recommend to people do. You know when they say running like you're running, how many ideas come to you running when you're running out there? Oh, haven't you? Yeah. This morning I was out a little

[56:24] bit on my running. Yeah. So let's I'm back. I'm back. Running around. So I was in, for those who have been wondering, because I kind of avoided a little bit I was having. All I was having was a little bit of my ankles just being stiff and playing up and causing me a few neural things and it's just stopped me going and banging out some stuff. Yeah, I'm back. Like I ran on the weekend around an hour and a half. What I have found is because it seemed to be around my ankle area, running on the definitely not the over hilly trails, but

[56:55] running on the kind of like uneven ground has been helpful. So instead of getting on the concrete where I'm slamming the ankle at one like 1 angle, yes, the whole time and it loading up, being on the trails, turning, it's been loosening it off and I actually feel better the longer I run. Good thing was this morning I was out there and I was doing a few loops and I was throwing in some heels and I actually forgot. I got probably, I don't know, maybe 45 minutes through. I forgot to do my walks. So that's a good thing. Fantastic.

[57:26] Just so you just got to. I was just running, but the most cracking and I'm can't say the most cracking event idea I've had in a long time came to me on the trail yeah, running. So I I miss my walks and that this is where I was going with this is when your brain just switches off running. Everything must have just felt OK again. Mind's wandering and then suddenly there it is. Running is. It creates the creativity.

[57:57] Running is. If you're if you're in a rut with your work and you need running creates space for that stuff, I totally. Agree with you if you can get to that zone where you switch off you. Need to you need it doesn't it's not a guarantee every time you walk out. I had a moment not not to that extent, but I've I when I went for that 19 K easy run on Sunday, what preceded it was some work stuff which had me had the blood boiling. Some stuff happened work related, which not positive stuff and I was I need to and I

[58:32] reacted in the moment to the not positive stuff. And then when I came back 19 KS later, perspective was raped. Were you tense when you first started? Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, tensed and angry and fired up by the end of the run. Felt brilliant and then relaxed and calmed down. For those also, we've had a few questions about the marathon series coming in, so we're working on how we're going to attack that for most value this year. Yeah, we've got some ideas if you've got any thoughts of Yeah. If you want to hear anything. If you want to hear another first timer experience like we

[59:03] gave you with Bronte last year. If you'd like more recommended sets. If you'd like more general race information, elite stuff. That's a good call. Yeah. Tell us what you want to tell us. What you want to hear around the marathon series and we will try and deliver as much of that as possible because we did. What are we, 15 weeks out? We're inside that window, Yeah, So Anita gave us. Yeah, we're 15 weeks out. You should be obviously getting well and truly into the training, but as we get, you know, over the next coming few weeks, I suppose we'll lock down

[59:35] what we're going to be doing. Couple of things quickly just before we go, because Turbo Turner has sent us some messages as well, has said that Yep, T100 gave Noosa vibes. She wants to know if we can get, she'd love some little tips for the Sunny Coast 70.3 that she's lined up doing later on in the year. So we might try and deliver some of that middle distance stuff. So am I trying to deliver that for TA Turbo Turner on a later podcast? Just what I'm going to jump in go.

[01:00:05] While I was running this morning as well, I thought for some reason some good ideas and quotes were just coming in my head and I was thinking about this idea of treating your Mila like an adventure. Yes, here's a quote for. You. Oh, go give it to me. I've never you. You never. It can be you, me. You never finish one of these super long runs going. I wish I'd started the run faster. Never. Yep. And if you think you have, you

[01:00:38] obviously walked for the first bit so you can't go out too slow. Can I thank you? You're I agree. A decision I made during the week in the later was I'm running this with my mate Ed, who I've spoken a bit about on this part before. We did defiance together. He kind of found running with me 10 or three years ago, has done the 100K race, has done the UTA 50K race. I decided I'm going out with him like now. On paper I thought you were

[01:01:09] going to say if you want. No, no, no, on paper I will. Should be faster than it. Oh, OK. But I'm committing in my head to doing the first couple of hours with him. OK, so. Yeah, I'm not going to. You're on the side I was talking about. Very much so. I'm going to. My intention is to slow, force myself to go slower than I would by going with it and making sure we can enjoy the first couple of hours early in the race together. And who knows, that might last 10 hours. This thing is probably going to take me somewhere towards 30 hours. So another message I think. Well, just just quickly, Yeah,

[01:01:42] No, it is turbo Turner. We'll we'll have a look at the Sunny Coast 10.3. But I mean the same thing applies you. You won't finish the run going jeez I wish I went harder on the true went any harder on the bike. Something I want to another message we talked about last week, someone showed us that you could buy hawkers through woollies. Yes, Wayne has shown us that you can buy garments at Bunnings Caveat Marketplace. So what does that mean? So this is this is what? Someone's selling.

[01:02:13] For it's like a yeah, they all do this. It's not in store. I I feel like it's either if someone knows if someone works at one of these like hard goods retailers, please let us know. So I'm, I'm assuming it's more like a, a Kogan or something like that. And they're just on selling those products and taking a cut. But you're not walking in, you know, at this stage at least you're not walking down the aisle and picking up an $800 garment next to your nails. OK. Is that us done, Courtney? Did you want to? Oh. Actually, did you want to talk about your love of Dirty Bird? What the love of The Dirty Bird

[01:02:47] KFC? Yeah. The product that they've, Oh well. Yes, come on, I. Had this at the top of our room. Sheet and Liam's been avoiding it all day. The other reason is that KFC, well, I'm avoiding it because I think it might be. Related to a date. That happened earlier on. In the week we're recording this in advance of the 1st of April. Oh, you think it's? I think this is. A load of bollocks. OK, I I may have been. Taking hook, line and sinker here. So K the the the post is KFC UK

[01:03:19] is giving away a pickle puffer jacket from what you can drink from. And I went This is an idea. You say you're thinking it's April Fool's. Yeah. However, beer companies have already done this. What do you mean the drinkable beer beer jacket? Have they? Yep. I've seen the helmets. No. No. Homer Simpson stole. No. No. Helmets. Drinkable Beer jackets. Exactly this. So. If it's basically camelbacks, if you're watching on video, I'll put up the. I'll try and remember to put. Up the image, but yeah, it's

[01:03:50] literally like a jacket, which is a full camelback, which is the clear jacket in this case. It's got Pickles and water, I'm assuming, or something in it. However, beer has been doing this. There is a beer jacket. Oh, but it gets so warm I couldn't think of. Anything worse? Worse than my body heat heating up beer. What? I mean, what happens if you have you ever seen the I cool? You, You've seen the I cool? Vests that that they put on Woody for inside. Yeah, well, just put an outer. Layer of that so while it's iced. Up. Yeah.

[01:04:20] Drink. I mean, Can you imagine? OK, here's an idea. Here's. An idea? Here you go. We talked about how good slushies are. Yes, after running or within. OK, it's not gonna last an ultra, but Can you imagine getting finishing around, doing something and then just whacking on a slushy jacket? I would. I would be all over this if it was a slushy. Just put a cup in my hand I

[01:04:50] don't need. A jacket. It's slushy. Puffy I get it, it cools you whilst hydrating. I'm just I whether it's real or where it's not. KFC is killing it. Well done to The Dirty bird. Alright, Well, Courtney, that's what you getting for your. Birthday I I wouldn't complain again. I'll say it. I said it at the top. I'll say it at the bottom. Like and subscribe, share it with your friends if they've if, if someone you know is just signed up and or just found running or is getting involved with park runs, point them in the direction of the podcast. The community is growing. We're having lots of fun. And I will say this one more

[01:05:21] time, London Marathon organisers, we know you're listening. We know you're stealing ideas. All right, all we want is flights, accommodation and an entry to the 2027 race and we'll call it even. All right, we'll see you next week, next week.