EP 75 - AWARD WINNING… BROCCOLI SHOTS, PISS START LINES & IRONMAN BANS

Courtney Atkinson and Liam Flanagan on heart rate training, trail running, Olympics & 2032 — recorded on the Gold Coast.

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[00:00] Welcome back to the award winning podcast, In The Beginning. Courtney, how are you? We're trying to take this for a run, aren't you, Liam? Somebody messaged me and said you called it a couple of weeks back that we'd be introducing it as an award winning podcast, and officially we are now an award winning podcast. If you haven't followed us, does this make us part of the government? Were you funded by the government? Don't try and tarnish this.

[00:31] Courtney. Earlier in the week we went down to Sydney as a finalist for the Australian Sports Commission Media Awards and we took it out. Yeah, down at the SCG, which you were very chuffed about the your home cricket ground, weren't you? The SC GS a cracking spot no? It's no, it's hadn't been in the SCG before. You'd never been. You'd never set foot in the SCG? No. What'd you think of it? It's good. Yeah. It's it's AI liked it. I'll give. I'll give NSW this one. It was, I'll give you Sydney

[01:01] This one, and look after their cricket ground. It was a spectacular venue and I did not think so. For context, we were one of five finalists. We were going up against the cricket podcast, Netball Australia's podcast, and we had a chat with them afterwards, fantastic, Georgie and Libby Trickett, who do a podcast called Sportish, which is going gangbusters, growing and growing. And then we also had the ABC Sport Daily, which is a daily kind of news sport podcast put

[01:34] together by Patrick Stack, who I know Stacky, yeah, amazing for us. But quickly shout out to Stacky, who I found out afterwards has lost that category three years on the on a row with ABC. Yeah, with that same podcast, he's been a finalist 3 years in a row has hasn't taken it out, but yeah. How did you feel? OK, it was good. I you were, you were, you know, when we first did it, I was like, you know, I'm not sure. I know you were, you were keen to get down there. But I'm glad you, I'm glad you're twisting my arm and got me down there to Sydney. It was it was exciting on the

[02:06] night and it was very cool. It was the crowd was definitely not what I'm expected. So do you think is it the kind of. I got the I got the feeling in that mainstream media world, yeah, that must be a pretty that's the event each year, right? That's put on by that. That's that's. One of them, that's a very prestigious event, you know, you're talking about, as you say, it is the government body, government agency, the Australian Sports Commission. But in the room represented, you had the head of Channel 9 Sport, you had the head of Channel 7 Sport, you had all the major

[02:40] radio networks. I've got a question for you. Is Bruce McAvaney like, in your world of media, is he at the head of the table? Absolutely. So for context, Bruce McAvaney won best sports presenter, I think he was up against Brenton Speed and I can't remember who else was in the category. I did speak to Speedy before the night and said, oh matey, and he goes, I'm here to drink beer because I'm in a category with

[03:10] Bruce McAvaney and I ain't winning. So yeah, Bruce is at the head of the table from a sports commentator perspective, I think and across codes and everything else, I think Bruce is the best. And I, what I'm amazed at is how well he's maintaining cause Bruce is being in his 70s now and he still does such an incredible job on the horse racing coverage, the athletics coverage, he's still fantastic at. I went and had a brief chat with Bruce after the event. Lucky enough to be in the photo with him as a winner.

[03:40] You'd have to head off to the airport, but Bruce is the thing that's most amazing about Bruce, and it's a lesson not just for media. Bruce treats. Bruce never looks past anybody. Bruce treats everybody that he's talking to at the time like they are the most important person at the time because he's having a one on one personal conversation. He does. I've seen him do it with cameramen. I've seen him do it with producers. They're like commentators. And on that night he had everybody wanting to have a conversation with him and he was generous and he eye contact, not looking over their shoulder at

[04:10] who else he could be speaking to. It's yeah, he's a, he's a role model. In a room with, you know, all the police, Kieran Perkins, the CEO of the organisation and plenty of other Olympians around, yeah. Bruce is still he. Was still the big nun, Dave, did you see? Have you seen the advertisement? The AFL, Yes, the new AFL one that's copping it a little bit today we're talking about how's that for a Segway with Bruce in it? But Cane corns Jason Richardson, Yes, Richard doesn't, does he? Commentate AFL. I've watched this, I've watched

[04:42] this 7 promo. I like it OK, I have some notes, but I like it overall. I think it's funny. I think it's well made. I get what they're trying to do. It's a skit. For anyone and. If you haven't seen it, 7 AFL has launched this season with a bit of a brainstorming meeting as chaired by Bruce McAvaney. I think Bruce is great. I think BT is brilliant. BT is built for those things. I don't think they needed the Mitch Cleary stuff. I know he's their lead reporter. I don't know if it landed. I think the Richo joke is very

[05:14] funny, yes. So for those that don't understand. The reason why? Yeah, Richo. Horse. Racing, horse racing, Richo Athletics, former winner of the Stawell Gift. Richo is not part of their AFL coverage, but he is an integral part of their whole sporting coverage. And Bruce makes the joke saying now Richo, we need to talk about whatever. And Matthew Richardson, the former Richmond Tiger great, is sitting alongside Jace Richardson. And they both start talking. I think that's very funny.

[05:44] I think, look, I like what they tried. I think there's some things they could have omitted, but for the most part I thought it was a really fun way to kick start the do you. Want to hear a good story about Richard the Jace? Do you know Richard? Yes, yes. Talk to me about it. Because I'm a huge fan the only time so nothing to do with sport I've made, I've made, I've made the bloopers highlight reels of you remember what was the old show where they'd show funny videos on TV. Australia's funniest home videos. Yeah, something like that, I don't think, I don't know if it was exactly the funniest home

[06:16] videos in that vein. Right. So I was at the back of the yard, a back backing here on the lake. And Richo, I first met Richo. He worked for Oakley. He was the sports marketing manager for Oakley when I used to race. Those that might not be in a picture. Richo's the bald fella. Or guy who? Yeah, at the Melbourne Cup, you'll see him. Yeah, around the orchard, stables, whatever. Big smile on his face. Great. Yeah. So first meeting through Oakley, then when he started into his TV Land of presenting, he came to my house just to hear where we're close to where we today.

[06:50] And we were doing some type of interview out the backyard. And we're both sitting there and as we're doing in whatever station is working for at the time, as we're going through this interview, my dog at the time, this border collie blue heeler cross, literally, you know, when dogs start wiping their butt, wiping their. Ass round bum drag. Around the bum track so in between us doing the interview my dog has come through and just on the bar like his last drag right across in front so. Did they use it?

[07:21] No, they cut that out of that. But years later, some people have sent me, they've started that somehow got into blue airing to the Opus. Oh, that's good. So. It's a good lesson. People there, if they ever say they'll edit something out, bear in mind they'll keep it if it's of use later on. So they were the early days of Rich Owen. He's he's kicked on really well. He's. He's to sleep on that. He does a lot of work with Emma Friedman. They're fantastic. To go back to the awards night just briefly, and we won't hang around here for too much longer. But I did want to say I got some

[07:54] lucky enough to win an award. As we said on the socials, it's great. It's a really nice paddle on the back for you and I It's also It's also. For the whole family. A huge thank. That's my point. It's a huge thank you to everybody who listens to this podcast, everyone who subscribes to this podcast. It's we wouldn't have kept doing this. There's no way we're at the awards night at the SCG on Monday if we haven't got the support we've got over the 1st 12 months of this podcast. No one would have no content. We wouldn't be doing it. We would have stopped. So this is, you know, this is

[08:24] for you. But I spoke to somebody from the Australian Sports Commissioner. To get some feedback. Afterwards I did OK and they came up positive, negative. They came up and gave some congratulations because this was jury judged basically. They had a bunch of judges from throughout sport and media listen to the finalists in all categories and give a ruling. They did that with the podcast. Obviously. They the feedback I got was that all the podcasts were great. All the podcast finalists were

[08:55] finalists for a reason. They were great podcasts that were experts within the area of sport or general sport that they were talking about. The feedback, the specific point of feedback we got about ours was listening to our podcast. The judges wanted to go after finishing listening to the podcast. They wanted to go for a run. Yeah, right. OK. That was the feedback, they said. All the other podcasts, we learnt something. Yep, our podcast made them feel something, made them feel like doing something. Made them want to take action.

[09:26] And I and. CTA, that's the whole goal that for me. Was just gold like that was better than the trophy that people who'd never heard of our podcast before who were put it fed it because they had to adjudicate it got the same feeling which the subscribers, the people that have been there from day one have been getting in the. Podcast without giving away who it was. They look like a runner. Were they? Oh, I've looked at the judges. Yeah, yeah. And I, some of them are former athletes, so I assume they maybe do a bit.

[09:57] Yeah. But I wasn't given exactly who the feedback came from. But that as a whole, I think for us mate, it that we're doing the right stuff. Beautiful. We're if we, if we're convincing judges of a government award to go for a run, we're doing OK. We're doing OK. Let's get Zack. In it was a good night. Award winning podcast. Hey, look, let's let's, let's have a little bit of fun, OK? This one popped up on my socials. I've don't know this one, anyone. It just popped up on my socials but let's see if I can hit the right button as we're real technical around here.

[10:27] Award winning podcast. Cross country skiers at the Milan Cortina Olympics are taking what looks like a tequila shot before races, but it's not alcohol. It's liquid broccoli made by a Swedish company, extracted from about 6 lbs of broccoli. The company says it may help lower blood lactate levels, easing the muscle burn that comes with the all out effort to get to the finish line. But does it work? We spoke with Steve Magness, a running coach who studies sports performance. He said the theory is possible and there's some early studies, but not much of the

[10:58] research has been done on elite athletes yet. Still, it's already circulating among some of Europe's top ski teams. Norwegian skier Emil Iversen, the 2022 Olympic silver medalist competing here, started taking it six months ago. He says it helps him bounce back after gruelling uphill sections. The potential upside? Marginal gains at the highest level of sport. The downside? It's just broccoli. Even athletes who swear by it admit they can't rule out the placebo effect. At the Olympics, athletes are revisiting advice they first heard.

[11:28] How this is interesting, remember? We talked about this last week. Hit a nerve. I was talking about trends and things that come and go. Then we mentioned colostrum. You could probably throw beetroot or that's got some really good evidence behind it, but there's all these types of things. What's interesting is Steve Magness is like highly reputable and respected in this world around giving advice and even him saying like there's maybe some evidence but here we go, the trend is on. So how long until you think we

[12:00] see this at run clubs? Well, I kid you not, this is when timing meets opportunity, which meets purpose. For those watching on Spotify video, I have a pack of this. So hold on, did you buy this? No, there's a back story to this, Liam. This would be maybe at the end of last year, it's still in date.

[12:30] I checked Aid Station, which is a online company who sell a whole heap of stuff, reached out and said, hey, I've got something I want to send ya. Would you want to try this thing? And I just, you know, on social. So yeah, yeah, we whatever. Yes. So thank you, Aid Station. It's going to come into purpose now. I asked some of my experts that I'd go to about this product and they were like exactly what Steve said. Yeah, I mean, there's some things, but here you go, mate. So this is it.

[13:00] This is it this. Is you've you. This is incredible stuff for you Courtney. So you have. Got don't say never bring anything to the. Table never said that about you look so this. OK, what did what did they say at the beginning? It looks like a tequila shop. It does. It's. Sort of a brown, actually. Like Brown, you're. Gonna I'm gonna try it with. You so the ingredients, broccoli sprouts are 80% of this thing, 15% lemon and 5% sugar. So it's just sugar, lemon and broccoli. Sprouts. There's there's nothing. I just looked up they said 6 lbs of broccoli in it, but

[13:30] 2.7 kilogrammes? You're dead right, Liam. There's nothing special. Isn't nothing special in this except broccoli sprouts, lemon and? Sugar And by the way, this isn't a paid ad or. No, no, no, no. This is just pure, like pure. This is coincidence. Coincidental, and it probably would have never come out of the cupboard because I was told it's likely placebo. What's the smell like? Gee, that's disgusting. That is. Oh, that reminds me of something that smells and it's not.

[14:03] You can tell. This is not a paid forever. It smells horrible. It's not. It doesn't smell like broccoli, but you know what? It actually reminds me. There's a herb, an iron herb. There you go. What's the name of it? People know the name so much. There's an old iron herb you used to take instead of taking iron in tablets, you'd take it in kind of a drink format. That's what it reminds me of. I'm. Going to hit this. Yeah, hit us because we're waiting.

[14:34] It's a shot. Could nearly be pickle juice. I mean, do you feel like you're lactate buffering? Hey, we're we're making. But it no, no, no, I will say this, it tastes better than it smells. Yes, the taste. The lemon really kicks in as you drink it. So it's a lot. It's, I mean, it's, it's kind of a similar theory to have you've heard of baking soda being used. So the theory here is that and just and walk me through it from

[15:05] an elite athlete perspective for a moment. It buffers. You take this. There's some evidence to suggest it will buffer lactate. It's easy, Sir. And again and you just walk through that simplified version a little bit more. That means meaning when you get to that red line point. So in this case, they're talking about the cross country skiers. They're going up the hill producing too much lactate. You need to recover this in some shape or form will help you buffer that lactate and keep moving quicker than you would and just slow down. This is baking soda.

[15:36] Very similar. Just quickly baking. Soda. We're talking about them, maybe talking about them, but. Just while you're looking at what you want to clarify as we hear athletes, we were again, if you missed last week's conversation around supplements and the placebo effect, we won't go back into that. But this is an interesting about if these elite athletes start talking about this, what do you think would carry more weight

[16:06] that or the idea of say some of you more classic running influences. If so, if the running influences that they started drinking Gnomeo, Do you think that we see it then drip into the popular culture quicker or do you think the fact that this has come out of the Winter Olympics off these elite athletes? That's a good question. That's a really good question. Do you know like? I. Because if. If I hate to say it, I think if you saw the influencers drinking it may. If a table full of this popped

[16:37] up at the Sydney Run Club down at the Bondi prom one morning, I think they would. I think it's going nuts. Because it was at an elite level competition, it spikes the interest of take me for an example, it spikes our interest because we're going, I'm going. If they're using it at that level, there must be something in this. It's got to be right. You would never have pulled that box out of the cupboard if it had been a running influence of posting about it. No way. In the world, I would have actually probably just.

[17:08] You would have thrown it out. No, I wouldn't have thrown it out, but my plan was to test this in a hard session. We've still got another box over there too. You should test it. But I sent it to the fellas who are more expert in this space in high performance sport, and I said to them the same thing, what do you reckon here? And I often do this with any product. What do you reckon? And generally the same comment comes back, there

[17:38] is some, let's just say, you know, there's a line of evidence that could suggest this has an effect. However, it's most likely placebo. But if you believe in placebo, like we said last week, it can be a benefit, but it's. Broccoli, lemon and sugar. Like there's no magic ingredient. It's literally it's broccoli, lemon and sugar. There's no magic ingredient. In it anyway, we're going to try it. But yeah, that was a good one because I saw that, I saw that posted and I went actually believe I've got that product sitting. I like the packaging sitting. I think the packaging's clean

[18:08] and clever anyway. OK, anyway, it's, it's a good one. We'll I'll, I'll come back to you once I test it in a run. Yeah, do see if it makes sense. Well, 'cause. No, you actually you have to because you made me test those stupid nose strips, those nasal strips which I've still got sitting in a car, which I have not come out about since I feel like I'm hearing a lot less about those nasal. Strips. Yeah, some more fun having to do this one from Chicago Marathon. Carissa Galloway saw that she is out there running with us. So, Carissa, if you can hear me, welcome to Chicago. Have a great race. Hey, yeah, so this is

[18:40] objectively disgusting. We got home girl over here pulling the underwear to the side, standing and peeing directly on a piece of clothing which like, by the way, I never thought about any of this. All these people show up to the start line with a tonne of clothes on and it's just it's lines of clothes. I'm sure they're not going to pick them up again. Maybe they will. Maybe the city picks them up, but they're all covered in piss. Like there were 54,000 participants in the Chicago Marathon this year and apparently not enough porta potties for all of them. So I'm not blaming these people. If they got to go, they got to go.

[19:10] But like, is this not weird? I'm sure it goes all the way up and down. This man, how many, how much piss is on the streets of Chicago covering these clothes? It's this is. Wild. I'll give you some context. The video that this come from was my our folks closed out Jazzer. Yes, Justin shared this one with me. It's literally there's a young lady is urinating. Yep, at the side of the marathon on all the clothes people have

[19:43] left also and some other fellas alongside about 7 blokes. Exactly. Yeah, 100. Percent who are using their biological advantages. Multiple people having this effect, but this is right in the middle of the start line at Chicago Now taking like that's the purpose of the conversation, but like. What do you do? Nervous ways? A nervous way What? Do you do? Has anyone like City to surf this? Is this what? When I saw this it made me think

[20:13] of City to Surf. OK because you have that many like that style of race with that many people. You're up at the park. Yep. I can't imagine. I know they've got all the porta potties up at 1 area but I can't imagine there's enough for 90,000. People either. No, boy, there's not. Have you? Ever been caught out in this In this? Situation I'm trying to think. Well, I've talked about this before about my 6th sense for where a bathroom might be at the Noosa Triathlon pre plan. I know how I found my the sneaky

[20:46] side door open to maybe a building and being able to access the foyer area and find a bathroom very different when you're in an open park setting like this. Look, it's it's, I think it's kind of one of those unavoidable obstacles of a mass participation event like you can't and. There's not a solution, is there? There's not a solution for the organisers. There's no solution. You organise as many as financially viable portaloos, or as many as the area will allow, and then you let nature

[21:18] take its course. Right. There's a formula. That's how they work it out. How many people, how many portal properties? There's an event formula. As an athlete or as an individual, I've been, I've had nervous wheeze all the time. I will say I find and I'll be interested to get your thoughts before races. I've been I've had the nervous wee feeling right. And then if I can't go or don't go, I actually find it goes away if once I start running.

[21:48] So I that this becomes a Oh yeah, psychosomatic thing, not an actual. It's like my body saying you need to wait. And then when you start running, it's like, no, you don't need to win. We're going down this path. Yeah, it's the same. Hold on. You don't take, don't act like I've dragged us down here. You dragged us down this path. Now you're taking us further down the path now because like when you say about, I think if it's a nervous one, yeah, it goes away. But then if you have one of those mornings where it's actually you. You need to go. You've drunk too much, you know the night. Before or whatever, but that's why you've got to be careful about over hydrating the not I.

[22:19] Can't think of AI, can't think of any road running races or triathlons where I've had this issue. Trail running I definitely have had the issue once or twice. Do you still carry spare toilet paper when you go for trail runs? Yeah, always for an emergency, especially in the mornings. Fair enough. I mean, that's one of the beauties of trail running. It's like. What, being out of shit outdoors? Anywhere and obviously once

[22:49] you're far enough in emerge look, it's a lot easier to have a trail emergency than it is to be think if you're running a you're running down Currumbin. Yeah, but you're running around down the beach at Currumbin and you know you're in trouble. In the morning you've had your coffee and then you started running and then, you know, the next public toilet blocks what, 5000? Let's just say 2K down the road. Yeah, that's that is a lot worse.

[23:19] I've just imagined a range of T-shirts from a trail running band saying brand saying trail running, justifying shitting outdoors since 1952 or whatever. Just follow the rules, date, go near a water source and. Hold on, are there rules? To. To doing twos outside to. Shitting in the bushes. Are there a trail running? I don't think about #2 I don't think there's a trail running rule, I think. There's a camping rule. OK, what are the rules? Well, I don't know these. Rules Dig a hole. Brilliant.

[23:52] Here's. Which I'm sure most people aren't doing on the trail. Just to be clear, here's the cut out clip for socials this week. Courtney's rules for twos outside. Camp Ping's. Rules for Sooners out Courtney's rules. OK, go dig a hole. Dig a hole and I don't know the exact measurements, but if there's a water source and you need to go to the toilet in the outdoors, shit away from the water source. It's that simple.

[24:24] And ideally, don't expose yourself in public. That's probably the. OK, so dig a hole nowhere near water sources and be discreet, Yes? Yeah, be discreet. OK, and I'm I'm pretty sure the first one I need Yeah, if you got a shovel in your. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think that's on the occasion when I've been caught on a trail run, I have not dug a hole. Let's let's get let's let's get away. From this you took us here. You took us here. I man have just banned I. Love the idea there's someone out on a trail run right now.

[24:54] Yeah, because there is a high proportion of. There's a lot of people who use. This on a Saturday morning, you've just had your dirty 711 coffee and you're listening to us and you're going through this right now. Please send us a message if you are. I man just banned I man triathlon brand not Ironman not Ironman surf life saving. Yep, the brand. Have just banned all AI glasses and camera technology in their races. What are your thoughts?

[25:29] I'm I'm questioning, I'm trying to understand it. That's my thoughts. I understand when there's TV rights involved because I've been caught. I've told this story before, haven't I? I don't know. So I'm gonna take I'm just gonna say like someone might call me out, but I believe I was it definitely an IT triathlon. Oh, this one, you were cheated. Cheated. I never cheated. No, you were cheated. Someone cheated you? No, no, no, no. I'm getting my stories.

[25:59] Mixed up when Gopros first come out, I you know, they've told this, I haven't told this story. So when go Gopros first come out, I was and different sports. It was mainly like skating and skating, snowboarding. Those sports were using Gopros. I was the first in ITU to put a GoPro in front of my bike in a race. So we were racing elite. But at the same time those races were covered by TVI got away with two races before they, the organisation came knocking

[26:31] on the door and said no more because they're effectively I was showing an internal vision of a race that they'd sold TV rights to. OK, so I was, I was giving free video for what another or you know, someone paid for. So they stopped it and all then they did is turn around and said, OK, now can you put a GoPro on your bike and we're giving it to you. But we're going to take the SD card, which I said no, we'll go and just get someone else to do that then absolutely no point to me anymore.

[27:02] But yeah, so that was my experience at that, You know, when we first had that technology. Now it's in sunglasses, which I've seen this. It's pretty decent. Yeah. And the fact that you could be, you know, I don't think it's got to the stage of being live in the sunglasses, like it won't transmit. But if you can be in a race and see after what you know, elites or whatever, whoever in the race are feeling and going through the tactics on the bike, it's amazing for viewers. Let me be clear.

[27:33] I just think they want to control it. If Oakley would like to send Courtney and I pair of meta sunglasses, we are here for it because I think we'd love. To do you want to try a pair? I'd love to try there. Do you have some? I don't have anything. So. Hey, Oakley. No, I think this is a massive mistake. I think this is a big mistake. I don't think any TV rights broadcasters are going to be threatened by the idea of an athlete wearing these glasses, right?

[28:06] It's a bigger picture thing. Well, why I think this is a massive mistake. The world is not going away from social media. The world is not going away from shorter form content. The world is moved. That is the new normal. That is the way you grow the brand. I'll give you the example of the American sports right where basketball grabbed A foothold about 10 years ago. I might not have my dad throughout here. NBA grabbed A foothold over NFL because NFL tightly gripped onto the ability to show clips across

[28:38] social media channels not regulated by their own and not official broadcasters and they would take them all down. Basketball went the other way and said. Go for it. And they flooded the market and all of a sudden all the social media channels were flooded with clips and highlights from games of NBA and basketball And it and it benefited from it. It's got other problems now. Whereas the NFL struggled, now the NFL have adjusted and pivoted. If you are a niche sport like Ironman or running or cycling, you want these content creators,

[29:11] whether they're in training or races, being able to repurpose their footage of their life and their careers and their training and as athletes, wherever it comes from, you want them to be able to use that footage. So to essentially, you know, blinker your races and blindfold your races from this other angle. I think it's a crazy decision, yeah. I as you were talking through that, then I just, it came into my mind of one reason maybe why rules and breaking rules.

[29:47] And when I say breaking rules, like if you've got this on the bike and you then have video proof of someone drafting or if you weren't drafting and you get a call. So that plays a big part, especially in the elite end of races that you have the draught busting in Ironman races, you can't draught, Sure. So if you have, if you're literally recording everything out there, you have the evidence, don't you? Yes, great point. Really interesting point. Easier I've come though. Footage used from any glasses will not be considered when

[30:20] reviewing race results. Yeah, but then once it's on social media, then you. This is endless debate. What? But hey, not a bad thing if an athlete, if an athlete gets the end of the race and sees a oh, got a red, that bloke, that bloke was drafting all race. Here's the footage. Then the governing body of the race, whatever it might be, is that would go terrific. We have a policy of not overturning results. We are now aware heading into the next race that guy is breaking the rules. Reed mid race.

[30:50] Guess what we're going to do? Marshall's going to pay closer attention to him. Yeah, yeah. It I that I don't, I take your point. I don't see that as a bad thing though. I think it actually gives the sport itself and the organisers and the race organisers an opportunity to improve their own performance. I think this is the. Case also of just technology moving. So there would always be a rule around go pros or cameras and races for a safety issue because you drop it off a bike, you're running with it, you're not following directions, all of those things. But once you've then put the

[31:20] camera into glasses that take 0, there's no safety concern. Anyway, there'll be are you allowed? Are you ever allowed comms during a race beyond no a coach shouting at you? No, no. You mean like where like a cycling where they have team? Yeah, no, I. Wonder if there's any concern that you know, because if these Oakley glasses, these meta glasses suddenly have the technology to transmit. I don't think they. Do coaching well, you can take a phone call. Well, there you now.

[31:51] Now that's interesting. If suddenly these glasses become a vehicle for ongoing communication from your coach mid race. Yeah, that changes the situation, that changes the dynamic. I don't know if it's necessarily a bad thing, but it might be another reason that Ironman has taken the steps they have. Yeah. Anyway, we'll just we'll see where it goes and if they come out with and they may have already there's. Only one way to figure it out though, and that is for us to try them. Oakley. Happy Kite. You know where to find us? Slide on in the DMS. It's a

[32:21] world winning podcast. Talking about hey, I'm just gonna crack on with these all day. Keep talking about award winning. Jen Davies shared this one with us. Oscars are bringing the red carpet to the LA Marathon. Great. This is have you, have you read? No, I'm gonna read. I'm gonna read the paragraph. So this is from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. Yep. In a nod to the 98th Oscars, on Sunday the 15th March, the 15th

[32:51] Mile 11 will be designated to mimic the esteemed event, offering participants the opportunity to experience the red carpet and snap a photo as they run past the Dolby Theatre. So good. In Hollywood. So good. Do you reckon you reckon that we are going to stop on the red carpet? No, these course activations are never for the winners. They're never for the elites, Right? This is so in our zone. I can't help but think the LA Marathon has been listening to In the Beginning podcast because

[33:22] I feel like with the Kyoto conversation we had a couple of weeks back and the idea of what Australian brands could be activating at Australian marathons. This is exactly what we're talking about. The activations themselves, you know, there's Courtney, they're, they're not for Kipchoge, they're not for Hassan, they're not for the people that are going to win these races, right? They are for the. Masters, the ones wearing their glasses. They are, they're for the ones wearing the Oakland metal glasses. They're one for the ones stopping and, you know, doing all the content in the thing. I love this. I think this is a it's a great

[33:55] way to bring something in integrally Los Angeles and Hollywood to the running of it. And now I can't. And now I want to play the same game of how do you. It's well, it's a bit like, well, the cross country championships did integrating the course with the alligators and stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's the same thing. It's just creativity coming to run it. I don't have the deal out of here, but I was reading the other day like these big city marathons now like in New

[34:25] York's and Boston's and that are bringing in the economy they're bringing into the cities now. They were comparing it to a Super Bowl. Like really at that level, I don't don't have the exact data. I'm not saying it was more or less, but they were making those comparisons like that is the size of what people are coming in to spend in these big city marathons now. They're super big business. It's big business. As we know it's. Good stuff. I like that. Well done, LA. I'm trying. I can't. I'm trying to think about. I'll come back. Maybe you'll come back with a

[34:55] bit of a list with a bit of a list. This actually when we were sitting down in Sydney earlier in the week, my mate Linden Hunt, and you know how we were looking at all the Red Bull when we were sitting at the pub there at Moorpark. Yeah. Oh, and the Red Bull. And the Red Bull. Fridges and I was I was actually taking a few photos. So he worked he that's his zone. OK, and I was saying well this looks good in here. At the same time he sent me a while I was spying on him. He was spying on some pictures of that my wife put up on the weekend of me out at a farm.

[35:26] Right. And the, and the message he wrote to me is see, you're wearing the 8th best selling shoe brand in the world. I'm like, that's So what are you talking about? So here's the diagram. We have the best shoe, the best selling shoe brands in the world. What was I wearing? Liam in number. 8 And you'd said you bought these Crocs? Yeah. #8 the number 8 biggest selling brand of shoes in the

[35:57] world. So on this list, I'm gonna say we'll go through the list in a tick, but I've. And then I my reply was, well, hang on, I'm at right at the moment because I'm trying a lot of different shoes I'm sitting in #1 Number two, number one. Number two, I can even say #4 I never wear them, but I've got a few in the garage. 8:00 I've got some vans #10. Number. Birks down there at 780. So Crocs, Trump Birks. #3 to me is the biggest surprise. Yeah, anyone listening along

[36:28] have a guess of what would be in the third biggest. So first is Nike, first is Nike, second double Adidas. Nike is number one by two X at adidasis in #2 don't say #3 for a moment, keep going through the list. This is, it's just as well we'll put a this is from Bloomberg Statistica as well. So that's if you're going to argue with us, it's not about us. But this is an opinion basis. This is an opinion basis. This is. Someone's someone's dad or

[37:01] anyone. Someone could be wrong. But yeah, OK, So what we're saying #3 don't say #3 for a SEC. I want people to keep guessing what number three could be. OK, this was the other one in number so #4 New Balance. We went to Puma, but number this has got me. I didn't realise Hoka, whatever you want to call it, is owned by a parent company called Deckers, which have obviously bought us. No, no, no. Don't you remember this story? Am I OK? Well. So there's a big, there's a big, this was a so Ugg is a local

[37:34] Gold Coast brand that's. What I'm thinking? And there's a they're, they're not allowed to trade under Ugg anymore. This was a whole copyright thing that happened last year. Give us give us a summary. So I want to make sure I got my ducks in a row quick but before I go. OK, Well, well, you are you looking it up? Yes. OK. While you're looking it up, I'll, I'll run through. We've talked about Anta Sports, which is the parent company of all of the different brands that sit and which was Salomon's one of them.

[38:04] So we're talking businesses here, not necessarily just the specific brands. Anyway, I just thought Crocs coming in #8 besides the fact I was wearing a pair, I would have thought Birks, I would have thought Birks would have been up there higher than Crocs. He's talking 3.9 billion. And I'm assuming this is in sales for Crocs versus Birkenstock 1.6 billion? Yeah, Crocs at 8, ASICS at 9,

[38:34] Vans 10 on comes in at 11. I expect that if we do this again in however many years is that they'll jump up, I think on races up there. But then you've got Merrell and Saucony coming in at 12. That's under the same brand of Wolverine. Yeah, Converse leaning, which is a Chinese brand of shoe coming in. What do what? Li-Ning have under their shoes. And it goes on. The brand that came in at 3:00. I've got the details on the fiasco. I'll give it to you in a SEC. The brand that came in at 3 for those playing along at home sketches. Skechers. They made a bit of a comeback.

[39:05] Remember when Britney was partnering with Skechers? They come in and out like they're I. I see them as that barista shoe, you know, you know when you see. You know when you see someone going into work like they're a chef? What? What do you call it? Hospitality working. OK, I see sketches as one of those pair of black shoes as a sure choice to wear in like nearly like I've got to wear plastic into my work. OK, I know. I know. Crocs do some barista shoes as well. Yep, that's where I see.

[39:36] OK, so let me just give you the back story on Ugg. So Ugg here in Australia AKA Ugg since 1974, they had to change their name in overseas markets after a Chicago lawsuit was brought by Deckers, which owns the Ugg trademark in most of the world. So. So what are Decker's uggs in? Well, they are Ugg boots, but

[40:07] they own the trade. The trademark Ugg. Ugg, yes. So Brian Smith, who was wildly credited with inventing, with founding the brand now known as Ugg, he was an Australian surfer. He went over to the US and trademarked the name, but he didn't invent the shoe. It was invented. He just saw it in Australia or, you know, took it and went in. Yeah.

[40:37] Trademarked it and got it and now Ugg here on the Gold Coast now trade under the brand Ugg since 1974 because they're not allowed to trade under the brand Ugg. It's confusing, I think is the rough translation of the whole situation. Anyway, do. You have a pair. Of Uggs, Yeah, no, I don't. Sad. I my feet get too hot. Is that UN Australian? My feet get too hot. Frog boots. I sweat my feet. Nah, can't do it. Winter here.

[41:07] Still off once. Once. I'd rather put a pair of thick socks on. Nah, once that you love it. Yeah, Yeah, you see me. I do half of our winter podcasting in Uggs. Hold on, hold on, hold on what is what is the world record for a marathon in a pair of. New stock, we're not ever going to do that stuff. It's a croc record marathon in Crocs. I can't. Hey Courtney, maybe this is you. I can't see a world record in

[41:37] Uggs. Opportunity presents Courtney Atkinson at the Gold Coast Marathon 2020. 6. Hey, wanted to flag something with you. Yep. Now to pull back the curtain a little bit. We, this is going to be coming out on Saturday. We're recording it on Wednesday, midweek. As it stands, as I sit in front of you today, I haven't run yet this week, not from an injury perspective, not from a body perspective.

[42:09] I ran, I had a great hit out in the trails, like a 3 1/2 hour hit out in the trails last Saturday and then I went and did a kind of a 1415 minute 1415K flat run on the Sunday. So I got a good dosing. Last weekend, Monday, we were travelling down to Sydney for the event. Tuesday I woke up in Sydney, did the show earlier, then had to commute back to the Gold Coast and then had the Gold Coast Titan season launch on the Tuesday evening. And so as it stands Wednesday, I haven't run yet this week.

[42:41] What would you say if I said I was going to have a week off running? I'd say why? Is there any benefit to it? I cause I've been thinking about this a little. Bit well, no, I still ask why. Like, well, I've been thinking about this a little bit because, and let me be clear, I don't feel like I need it. There's no injury concern or anything like that, but I often my simple brain always hears about the idea of kind of that

[43:11] four week block and a deload week and a four week and then allowing your body to actually, OK, take on the benefits. Of the training, I agree with the deload week, but I wouldn't not run. OK, you want to be on your legs? OK, you don't want to. You want to reduce maybe both intensity and distance, but you don't want to stop completely OK, unless there's an issue. No, there's no issue. But what I'd say to you, because I didn't know where this is going, is what you do need to be careful of.

[43:41] And this is again, one of those times when I say like, I'm going to preach something that I did, I don't do because I did this a few weeks ago and I'm I believe I'm actually feeling for it is when you do miss a few days because of other things, don't go and try and make up for. It No, no, no. In the four days. Do you know what, Jill? It's funny. I was talking to Michael Whiting, who some people might know in the running community. Fish. She's also an AFL journal. He pinged his calf a couple of weeks back and he said to me, I said what happened is I know exactly what happened.

[44:11] I had a couple of days where I was hunched at the desk over the computer, wasn't running like I normally would. Then I went out to try and run and I just went. And went yeah, yeah. Or trying to like say especially this is I think when you're watching your distances or you've got a plan in your head and you're watching Strava and you're watching your distances. And every week you've been doing 10% more. And then for some reason work takes you out for three, the first 3 days of that week. And then you'll, you still want to push to get the dealt mileage. That is the recipe for. Disaster.

[44:42] For context, for those playing along, if I go back, I'm seven weeks into this mile of stuff, irrespective of distance and elevation. But my elevation was really strong last week. My time on feet. We talk about time V distance. Your body doesn't know distance, all that sort of stuff. First week of this prep, five hours, 46 minutes worth of running. Last week was my longest week and I did 7 hours and 4 minutes worth of running. So the time on feet is building.

[45:14] That's what I'm continuing to build. That's the yeah, that's good. Do you think that's enough? Not. Not yet, no, No, I've got. I need time. I need to do more. I think I think the 50K will be really good for you. I'm really looking forward to the Noosa Ultra 50K. Go into it nice and fresh. You've got, you've got consistency still always going to win, right? So you've had consistency. The 50K will probably be, I think it'll be a good challenge for you of the mileage you're doing. But if you make sure you recover from it, don't hurt yourself the next day and then you take a few

[45:46] days rest of that for sure and then come back. I think you'll find you'll you'll be at another level ready to go to the next one. Yeah, no, I'm the Milo I again. I'm really excited. Everything's still going really well. I had some it's always fun when I'm. Somebody asked me about it for the first time at the moment because. Yeah, it's cool. It's yeah, Yeah. What? I just keep going on that idea of like, I always, I say, oh, I there's certain things that I know, but I still won't do it myself and that and I just want

[46:18] to like triple down on. It's so important to have someone else to tell you what to do when you're questioning things. Cool. Because if you're a motivated individual, you're always going to try and push it and overdo it. It's just, it's just the nature of being competitive. You have to have someone in your corner to be able to, you know, make common sense of things even when you fully know yourself what that common sense is. Not that it's available on

[46:51] Strava, but if anyone had been able to see my heart rate data on my most recent run at the time of recording, which was Sunday's flat run, Courtney, I've told you this story off air, but I'll share it with the In The Beginning family because that's what we're about. My heart rate spiked at one point when I was cruising. I found that on those flat runs, now my heart rate, it's what comes with consistency, my zone 2 lasts longer, there's less of that heart rate creep on these easy flat runs. But my heart rate spiked because I had two little idiots on the

[47:26] back of an E bike race up behind me and try and flick my cap off. Now I think for everybody, it's a good it's a good thing that I'm not a faster runner than I am because if I'd been able to catch up to these two, oh gosh, my heart rate went through my blood pressure. Everything just went up because these two rat bags, we'll call them that, for lack of a better language, raced up behind me and gave me a decent clip over the back of the head. And as they tried to flick my hat off. Now, Courtney, I've had time to

[47:57] process it and I'm and I've processed it as boys will be boys, but. E bikes can get stuffed. E bikes, yeah, I think whether it's E bikes of boys, there'll be so many people out there. At some instance in there running, something's happened to you. I mean cycling as well. Cyclist is that's that's like that's next level. If you're winging about getting heckled, running, cycling, get go and play that game. That's the whole. Might be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got one more running thing

[48:27] from my world I want to talk about. It's not about me. It's about my daughter. So my daughter Quinn is 9 and she does little athletics and I love it. And I've always I can't remember where I think I was listening to remember. I don't know if they still do it. Nike had a podcast talking about training. It was like a Nike training podcast when we I know I listened to it about four years ago because I remember listening to episodes of it while I was painting my house after we just bought it here on the coast. And I remember listening to a part of it where this, whoever this trainer was talked about

[48:59] the importance of what he believed was the importance of teaching your kids to run be correctly. But mechanically correctly or however, because you every sport has running in it or for the most part in tennis, you run from side to side. In AFL, you run all directions. In rugby league, you run straight ahead in sides. So he was talking about how. Yep, try a bunch of different things, but make sure your kids are running make if they want to play lots of sport. Quinn does little athletics at

[49:31] where she's running now. There's better runners than her, but she has been doing it for probably three years now and she's starting to see the improvement. And just recently I've started to see the improvement with her soccer because she also plays soccer and it's her second season playing soccer. Last year, season one small field, very cramped. So the girls who are her age, who are technically skilled with the soccer ball, football, really stand out. Yes, Quinn isn't one of those kids, right? This is her first time playing soccer, so she's still learning. This year, she's gone up a grade

[50:04] and up and they're onto bigger fields with more girls on the pitch. But what I've noticed even just she hasn't even played a game yet, but even in training sessions, because they're on a bigger field, there's suddenly extra green space. And Quinn, because of this time doing little athletics and learning to run is suddenly I'm like, wow, you're, you actually stand out for the good right reasons now, because when the ball gets loose, you're first there because of this running. And it's just reinforced this belief in me.

[50:34] And I've got a 5 year old as well. And I'm and you know, teaching kids to run. I think learning, knowing how to play golf and tennis are great social skills because as you go through life, they're great social games to be able to play. Teaching your kids to run and to love to run. I think he's an asset. I think it's an invaluable asset that will benefit your kids for years. You said, I just want to get clear. So you said teaching your kid to run, and I think you said technique.

[51:04] I stopped myself then because I remember when someone tried to fix your mechanics of running. Yeah, I was. And it stuffed you up forever. No, not so much the mechanics of it, but essentially encouraging them to run, yes. Well, let's play, right? I mean, running is part of play. I'm I'm going to sit back a little bit because I come from the old school in the sense of around running. And just like we're all now facing, you know, you at a

[51:35] certain age, you start to have to fight off injuries and certain things happen the same as when you're young. And I've got no science about this. This is experience of just watching over the years different myself growing up through running and other kids and everything else while they're growing. Running's a hard sport under gravity, right? It's it's hard on the body. So I'm not saying it shouldn't be running, but I'm of the notion of there's probably over

[52:05] the top structured running too young. I agree may not be necessarily the best way to go, but what I do advocate for is aerobic fitness. OK, so whether it's through surfing, surf, life saving, but the best one is swimming because you can build that aerobic engine swimming at a young age without all of the gravity effects or safety effects of other sports. And what you do through the swimming, obviously then you've

[52:36] got, you know, limited breathing and there's a whole range of things that had benefits of I've seen so many athletes, I suppose succeed in elite sport, different elite sports later in life. And the consistency was always at a young age they swim and it was transferable, including into running. Interesting. So much so that I think if you had a natural ability to run, yeah. You'd make a good swimmer. No, and you would swim and you weren't necessarily the best

[53:08] swimmer in the world, but you swam a lot when you were young. But your natural ability would. Sorry, you swam a lot when you were young, but then as you kind of got to your later teen years or you went over and transferred to what you're probably more inclined to be natural at, which is running, that swimming would still have way more benefit aerobically than the actual running itself because you're limited running, right? You can only do like even now. You think about running, even at an older age, you're gonna go into a session. It's not like you can go and pump yourself for an hour and a half. Yeah, you can do that on the bike and you can do that in the swim.

[53:40] And yet I have a theory that most swimmers are uncoordinated. Hey, I never said all swimmers transferred or running. I was pretty clear. Hand eye coordination I reckon if you put something that requires hand eye into a swimmers hand tennis 6 love 6 love you've taken the win but they're the. Swimmers who go, keep going. I'm talking about all the swimmers who leave, who leave. How's your running going? It's I've been running some solid sessions. Yes, moving. Actually I had a graph remember when I talked a little bit about

[54:13] so I've been doing that 17 K loop that I talk about each week out in the forest. I took a picture. Courtney's loop as it's become. It's it's now Courtney's loop. Yeah, I was going to send this to you or I was going to post it, but you know how Strava pumps out? I'm just showing Liam here a picture. Strava pumps out what you've done over time. That is my last. I've pretty much run this loop for the past, you know, give or take two months and there's just a slow, steady increase.

[54:43] But what I want to kind of just like anyone who's listening was to, you know, we keep getting asked about running specific stuff, is that notion of if you're doing benchmarking and going out on that same course week after week, it doesn't necessarily have to be a faster time. I can make that time faster by just running harder. It doesn't mean I've had improvements. So what I'm looking at this is each week that pacing, you know, in the last three weeks, for example, you can see the pacings being like 455 kilometres, 450 ones.

[55:16] But what's interesting between that is my heart rate the second week has increased to go literally 4 seconds a kilometre quicker. I've had to increase heart rate. To me, that's not necessarily improvement. That's not the improvement I'm looking for. What I am looking for though is then the following week with a very similar heart rate actually dropping, I suddenly pick up nearly $0.10. That's so to you, that's a sign of improvement. That was the that was the week where I saw some big benefits. That was last week.

[55:46] Yeah, OK. What's also happened at the same time is I have been running pretty hard, I won't lie few things and niggling at the moment as well. So that's natural, right? With the intensity comes, it's the, yeah, the need to look after the body better. But we're now we're what, 3 weeks out of the T, 103 weeks out, starting to get to crunch time. The other thing about the T100 and I think I mentioned this

[56:17] last week, it seems like more and more people I feel I'm really excited. You can hear I can get a bit over the top carried away with excitement about things, right? I am a glass half 3/4 full person. No one's debating that, Leo. Yeah. I'm really excited about this T100 event now where as we get closer and closer I can't wait to see how this event comes together on the day. First year always going to be some teething problems but I am genuinely excited about how this

[56:50] whole day is going to look. Did you see T100 picked up the challenge series? I think you and I talked about this briefly. Yeah, so did we talk? About no, no, not on, not on the pod, off air. Yeah, so they, I mean, Challenge was I suppose the biggest competitor to Ironman Triathlon out there as far as events like they have Roth and yeah. And I don't know the details whether that Roth now becomes AT1, whatever it is. T Yeah. Do they have T-350 or something? I don't know. Yeah. But yeah, they picked up, picked up Challenge series, which is,

[57:21] you know, quite interesting. They're definitely doing some big things out there, but I know here on the Gold Coast, so I was down swimming. I've had a he asked about my running. Not only running. It's been a cracking week for swimming, so I was down with the saltwater swimming. Saidaka's mobbed down at Tallebudgera Creek this morning and the triathletes are out in force. And see what you ask him what everyone's doing and it's all T100. Yeah, the Tri. There was a lot of triathletes. He was doing the open water this

[57:52] morning. That's great. Are you allowed to talk about? Remember the thing you told me as we were walking into the airport to fly down to Sydney about a certain swim open water swim coach and who might be coming down here? I can't even remember. What it was there's a There's a certain open water swim coach here on the Gold Coast, maybe one of the best ever open water swimmers this country's produced. The world's seen who might have worked with a certain Olympian from another country. Oh yeah, yeah, we can talk about

[58:24] it because Claydo. Listen. Shout out to Claydo. Yeah, sorry. You're asking me what I did Monday? I mean, I can't remember what I did. This morning Phil Clayton or afternoon Phil. You know that we were having a swim Monday. I was sitting down at the surf club at Burley and Phil had his group there too having a swim and he came over and had a chat and he said he listens to the pot and then said I thought you were having a go at me last week when you were having a dig at coaches who help other countries Olympians win gold medals.

[58:56] And is famously for those that don't know, Phil did a lot of work with Alex Yee before the Paris. Olympics and still is he? Apparently the Brits are coming in and doing because the LA Olympics in triathlon is going to be a surf swim. So this is interesting. Cue that for when we have Matt Hauser back yes, because that's a great question for him as well who's obviously gonna be at home in the surf together. But his thoughts on that next Olympic course with the surf swim in Venice Beach.

[59:27] But yeah, like I we said the ghost, you know the ships well and truly sailed with coaching countries and all that Euro. Nationality, but I. Did give him a dig. I said, hey, back in the day. Yeah. And he remembered because he would swim with me or I'd swim with him. Always say me. But I'm always thinking then now I'm chasing that person in the pool. I was never. It's like how you run with me. Yeah, they would never swim with me. I was swimming with them. So I was swimming with Phil. And he remembers clearly too, the early days of the

[59:57] triathletes coming in to swim at Denis Cotterell's. And they'd come in for like, you know, four months or so, learn all the programmes and then piss off and go and do their own thing. So in effect, even though they weren't necessarily coming in, that coach wasn't. Helping in that way, they're still getting the IP of those. Benefits. So if you're on the Gold Coast and you happen to bump into a somebody in a pair of budgies that's swimming well but with an English accent, just grab their foot. You know, just slow them down in the attic, Tallebudgera Creek, wherever you see. Hey, remember last week we were talking about are the Strava

[01:00:29] flex that Super Bowl? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just want to mention this one because Elise rode in one that was a good one that she came in, she stravared and her duty as a school teacher. Each day she did 16 kilometres walk in the schoolyards. In a day. Yes, 16 kilometre walk for the day stravaed around a mess. I don't know what. What's a messenger duty at school maybe? Is she running messages at school? I don't know. I've never had messenger duty at school, Designated messenger in

[01:01:02] school. But you haven't been a school teacher either. No I haven't, but I'm trying to think if I've. That would kind of look I assume. I'll ask my brother, he's a teacher, but I assume it's my brother in It's a big. Big day, but. What? Where's she teaching? That's an enormous school. Or a lot of messages because most schools. 16 K for the That's a Getting your steps up isn't. It let's just quickly and we're almost done for today and we

[01:01:32] will say if you've gotten to this point and you're not already subscribed, go jump on board, subscribe. We've got a lot of fun on the way. In fact, we've got some special guests on the way. If the average, let's say the average walk between classrooms is 200 metres, that's a long way. Well, my head went straight to this. This like a big like sports kind of fields. So you're doing Judy on the sports fields and you're kind of at lunch and morning tea and maybe PE doing. 16 cases a lot.

[01:02:07] Oh, why that's that's for context. That's about how far AFL players run in a game of footy. Might be a big. School, it's a hell of a long school day for that porn. All right, it's good to like it though. Hey, we're going to disappear a couple of things quickly, a little bit of housekeeping there. As I said, make sure you subscribe. Can we just say a huge thank you because to go back to the start of the episode talking about this podcast award, we are generally proud of it, right?

[01:02:40] As much as we kind of downplay it, generally proud of it, the messages we've got when we posted that we won this thing, I was, I've been blown away by the amount of people that have reached out and said congratulations and said there was one in particular which said that amazing what happens when you're just unashamedly yourselves on a podcast because we don't try and manufacture moments or reels or get,

[01:03:12] get. Given Gnomeo today, that's. That's an example like that has come about this drinking this broccoli stuff has come about purely because out of coincidence. But I really like that feedback and I think we all should shout out Bronte Langbrooke and Benita, yes, who was such a big part of, particularly Benita, who brought her expertise to this podcast and her and her coaching to this podcast last year. And that's the year we've we've won this award for.

[01:03:43] So to Benita for bringing her expertise on the pod and for Bronte for playing a part in that series for the Gold Coast Marathon last year and the Gold Coast Marathon team. A message Bronte yesterday, yeah, I said, are you running? No. She's not running or she didn't write back. No, no, she write back. She left you on way. I don't, yeah, I don't. I don't think it was that bad. No, she's lift like I was just. Bronte lifted Bronte has taken to the world of hyroxin CrossFit. Is she is she hyroxy or is it games, lifting turf games? So that's more cross games.

[01:04:15] I think it's more I think. It's a bit more CrossFit. Yeah, I said, look, hey, Bronte, she's found her exercise right now, and her exercise is that kind of circuit. She looks like she could lift you. She's. She's in great shape at the moment. She's doing really well. But yeah, Bronte Benita, Matt Howser to Jelly roll, man, Jelly roll. To everyone who's who's helped out this awards for you. It's not really. It's for us. We're keeping it. We only got 1 trophy though. We got to do a custody battle. The kids asked me when I brought the trophy home. The kid said who gets the So does Courtney get one? I'm like, no, no, no. This is for both of us. This. One's for us, this one.

[01:04:47] This one's for the Flanigan household. My. Son Max already turned it into a robot arm like 'cause you can put your whole arm in it so. Yeah, well, you can see around here it's got nowhere to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The white walls, the white walls, the Atkinson Studios. All right, we're done. Nothing else from you. Done another week. Get out there, enjoy your running and we will see you next week. See you next week.

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