EP58 - JELLY ROLL

[00:00] Hopefully. What are you getting done? We're doing a tour tat. I think the tour has decided that we want to do — yes sir, no problem at all. We're going to do the kangaroo crossing sign. No you're not. That's so fucking cool. Yeah, we're going to do the kangaroo crossing sign, like the crossing signs you all have on the side. We think it's cool, man. That's awesome. Where are you getting it done? I'm going to do my legs. So I used to do all my tour tattoos — like this is my quokka, which I got seven years ago. I never thought I would have

[00:30] ever been able to come to Australia when I got this quokka tattooed. I got it because I never thought I'd see a quokka. So it's a really big deal. Have you seen one yet? Dude, are we — we don't want — yeah, no, we're gone. OK good, dude, I have been hanging out with quokkas. Oh, really? It's been crazy. Are you going to Rottnest? You tell them — sorry, this is — that's all good, man. Walls are thin, baby. Are you going to Rottnest? Sorry, so sorry. Are you going to the home of the quokkas? You know what, dude, I hate to be this guy.

[01:01] I was going to come here if the government would have allowed me to at some point, just to go to Rottnest Island and see the quokkas. Yeah, but what's the name of the wildlife carer, because we deserve to give them a proper shout out. I'll go get the real information right now. Yeah. Thank you for crossing in front of the camera. So — they're so cute, right? They're awesome, right? Yeah, yeah, they deserve a proper shout out. So these people brought quokkas to you here? Yes dude, they brought — not just quokkas, they brought two quokkas, a baby quokka that I got to name and feed, bottle feed, and they gave —

[01:35] they brought a koala. What else did they bring? They brought some lizards. They brought lizards. No dude, they brought a Tasmanian devil. Feisty. At least it's from Australia — it must be from Australia Zoo, has to be, right? From up the M1. I mean, quokkas aren't Queensland, where we are, the state we are in at the moment. No, no, no, but this is part of a programme that they have all across Australia to repopulate quokkas. I love that he's educating us on our own wildlife. Yeah, this is crazy, right? You know what's cool? They're doing it with koalas

[02:06] too. We don't need more koalas. No, no, no, no, no, no, they're getting endangered. You don't have heaps of koalas — this is sad news. You also — the disrespect you have from your own wildlife, you've been listening to the ABC. Yeah, I'm telling you, I'm talking to the locals and they're scared. They're like, the only known predator of the koala is man. They're chopping down all their trees. Yeah, yeah, they're dying, man.

[02:36] So they're trying to make sure they're — they're actually more worried about the koalas right now than they are the quokkas. And obviously kangaroos are like — we've got too many of those. Kangaroos are like your white-tailed deer. I'm from the South, back in America, I'm from Tennessee, which is what they call the South, if you've heard of it. And we famously hunt whitetail deer four months a year — three months a year — because if we didn't they would just run us completely over. And that's what's happening with kangaroos here.

[03:06] If I heard right — yeah, no, I heard they sell the meat. Yeah, you can buy kangaroo burgers at most stores. To move away from the wildlife for a moment — sorry, I came in so excited. Yeah, no, that's okay. But we can talk about the AFL too. I know a little bit about the AFL. We are in the home of the Brisbane Lions right now. Sorry, this is good. No, no, this is good. So Liam here commentates — no way, commentates the AFL. If you want to know about AFL, he's your man. You want to be a commentator?

[03:37] Do you want to talk about this on the pod or something else? I don't want to take over your pod, but I love the AFL, dude. What do you like about it? So I just got into footy — obviously I'm not going to act like I'm a long-time fan, but when I got here I immediately tuned into footy. You all have the Fox Footy Channel, and dude, it plays footy classics 24 hours a day, no commercials. It is the best channel in the sports history of every country I've ever been to, and I'm up all night and day watching footy. Have you got a team yet?

[04:08] No — this is the thing we love to do to Australian visitors, when any international person comes here, all the football teams climb over one another to hand them a jumper and make them an international supporter of the team. So have you got one yet? No, well, listen, I have a friend in Sydney — he's one of the guys who does YouTube, they're called the Fairbairn brothers, yes, and they are trying to draft me to be an Adelaide Crows fan. Listen, the first game I

[04:38] ever watched was — the first was in 2001. It was a Geelong game. So I remember, you know, I'm a little bit there, but I don't want to be there. It feels like it would be low-hanging fruit to be a Lions fan in light of them having their second premiership in a row, right? You're going to Adelaide next though. What I like about possibly being a Crows fan — and I'm open for negotiations, y'all, I'm a whore here, anybody can pitch to me, please sell me on your best team and I'll make a public announcement before I leave Australia — because I'm just into

[05:10] the sport. But what I like about the Adelaide Crows is, from what I understand, they were a relatively horrible franchise for a while and now they're doing a little better. They just had their first little playoff run, which is a big deal for them — got beat pretty early, but it was a big deal. Back home, in American football, I'm a fan of the Tennessee Titans, and they're terrible — we're the second-worst team in the NFL, they're terrible. So I kind of want to cheer for a bad team, you know what I'm saying? Instinctively, not a bad one. Can I present an alternative based on what you've just said?

[05:44] Adelaide aren't that bad — they're not as bad as the Titans. Given your love of quokkas, the West Coast Eagles, which are in Perth — a Perth-based team, which is the city just off Rottnest — they're awful, and they've been awful for a while now. So if you wanted to find a team that maybe matched the Titans, I would suggest the West Coast Eagles, but I'll leave it up to you. Listen, I want to support them 'cause they feel like they need the support the most. I struggled with the name Eagles as an American football fan — like, I love there's a

[06:17] couple of things you all have here, like the Lions — I struggled with that too, but I love Detroit as a city. I love Philadelphia as a city too, obviously. But I mean, the Eagles, you know, championship. There's a rugby league team down the road called the Gold Coast Titans. We've got a Titans team here, it's a rugby — team, it's a rugby union. I'll be honest, man, hot take, and I might get in trouble on your podcast for saying this, but once you've watched Australian football, it's hard to watch rugby again, right? A little bit — am I wrong? You know what I'm saying? It's just a hot

[06:47] take tonight. It's a great take, because rugby league fans are going to be watching this, they're going to hate it. No — please don't judge my music, my music's still good, I swear. Please. So where we are right now, like Brisbane, both teams won NRL — rugby team Brisbane, yeah, this is the home. And footy's — signed the — at the moment, oh, they're just swinging cock around here. Yeah, that's pretty much sure, yeah. We've got to ask the question though, because we are literally about two hours from you performing to a sold-out crowd here in Brisbane — your first Australian show.

[07:18] Why did you say yes to talking to a running podcast? Oh dude, we haven't got there yet because I've made you all talk about all my other Australian things, but running is where I started my weight-loss journey. So back in America — I was what you would call peak American fat, almost. I mean, I was 550 pounds. I was like the ones they have on TV — have those shows made it here? My 600-lb Life, 1000-lb Sisters, all that stuff. So I was that fat. And what I've learned is now

[07:49] I'm like, you know, right below normal-fat-in-America, almost. But I'm still peak Australian fat, you know what I mean? So it's so funny to be on a running podcast. Like, I'm here to share my weight-loss journey, and most Australians are like, God mate, what did you look like before, 540 — that's about 240. I would have been all over you right now. Is that the best way to put it? So, okay, so that explains it —

[08:25] because I'll be honest, we were — can I give you context on what we were doing when we got the phone call about this today? Courtney and I — Courtney, by the way, is a two-time Olympian, went to two Olympic Games, Red Bull triathlete, amazing, amazing guy — we were sitting down recording an interview with a guy called Matt Hauser, who is an Australian triathlete who recently won the World Championships, right? And that for us was an amazing moment — we're sitting there, first time an Aussie in 20 years has won the World Championship. Good, and we're sitting there talking to him going, this is amazing.

[08:56] We're talking to this guy at the peak of world sport, and then I missed a bunch of phone calls, and then I had a message saying, you guys have got some time with Jelly. We were just like, what is happening, what is life? So this is exciting for us. This is cool, man, this is very cool. No, it was — I was super into it when they said it was about running, and I was familiar with you through some Red Bull stuff anyway, yeah, it was super cool. So then I was like, this is dope, you know what I mean, I was all in. And running was such a key part of it — it is right now, even the culture of what we do

[09:27] on tour, you know what I mean? Like, I'd probably say five of our guys got up and did three to ten miles apiece today. We were talking to JB before, for sure, yeah, he's in now. He's really created a culture — had you met us on tour five years ago, that would have been more like cocaine and alcohol, and, you know, it would have been a totally different culture. But now we're all — how did you change that? Like, how do you go from racking up lines to putting on the shoes? Dude, I know this sounds cliché

[09:57] and I don't know why I didn't see the forest for the trees in the moment, but I was the problem, you know what I mean? Everybody was just following my lead — if I was dragging us to bars till 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning, everybody was following me to a bar. And in my mind — and this is the alcoholic mind — I was following the party to the bar, I was a participant in this whole thing. You know what I mean? No, I was the problem, because all of a sudden, when I quit drinking, it's just how much of the culture disappeared around me in general. And then when I started shooting

[10:28] basketball, people started coming in and shooting basketball. And then, lucky for me, my nutritionist got hired, because food is the most important component to all this, right? I think we can all agree — it's funny, I talk to other fellow fatties now, and I'm trying to help them early in their journey, you know what I'm saying? And they're like, they want to post all their little workouts, and I'm like, look man, that's cool, but if you're going home and eating McDonald's, dude, it's like — post your meal, you want to impress me, show me what you're actually eating, that's what starts and finishes it, really. But he's like — he's a running

[10:59] guy, my nutritionist. So he was like, let's get into running. And a couple of comedians back home — a guy named Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura — did this thing called the 2 Bears 5K. And if you've ever heard of it — he knows them. But have you ever heard of these guys? Yeah, I love them. And Tom — Tom's the goat, but they're absolute degenerates. So I was like, if these two degenerates are going to do a 5K, that means my kind is welcome here, you know? And it kind of opened the floor to running for us. And I think in almost American history, we've probably had or are fixing to have the biggest

[11:30] 5K ever — that's how we come out. I saw you create the Jelly Roll Losers Run Club, and that was probably, since we've been chatting about running together, the highlight for me. I was like — because my whole life has been elite endurance sport, and when I'm at school, we're the nerdy runners, right? And now everyone wants to run, it's just going huge. So someone like you — I suppose someone like you putting us on a pedestal and showing everyone else running —

[12:02] that has been absolutely massive for us. And then I saw you with Cam Hanes. So what I wanted to do when we first reached out — wanted to take — I saw you rocking up a mountain with Cam, and I'm like, I want to do that for Jelly. Dude, how far is it from here? Well, we can do anywhere, but I wanted to take you running. Is there a trail around here? Yeah — no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm here for two days because we've got the Gold Coast tomorrow, right — or Sunny Coast, Sunny Coast, Sunny Coast — we're down this way, yeah,

[12:34] man, but you can do Mount Coot-tha, yeah, we'll chat after. Man, I would love to take you, because you know, America's got amazing places to run, but Australia — you love the animals here, we've got some unique terrain. Like, I was running up the back of the Gold Coast the other day, doing a little bit of rock climbing, like you were doing with Cam. And we're laughing because I've been having a little bit of trouble with my calves, and as I'm walking up this — I've got 10K on my back, which for me is pretty decent — and there's this little whip snake, just — and I jumped, man.

[13:05] I jumped, and it's all the other things that come around, and then my calves go again. All I want to do is run, all I want to do is run for fitness, and these are the things we'll face. But I wanted to show you the Australian bush — I'll show you the Australian bush. Yeah, I'd love this. Yeah, okay, we're getting the thumbs up. The zoo is called Big Pineapple, yeah, it's up towards the Sunny Coast, so it's — yeah, like, our guys are being nice. So Jelly, you talk about your

[13:35] size, right, and I want to introduce you to this concept that exists in Australia — next weekend, a bit further up from where you're playing your next gig on the Sunny Coast, there's a little town called Noosa. Noosa Triathlon's happening, and it's the second-biggest triathlon in the world, and they have a category called the Clydesdale category, which is exclusively for guys over 100 kilos. Really? Yeah, 100 kilos is like 220 pounds, right? Yeah, 220 pounds. So it's a category that you enter that's — me, I'm a — you're a Clydesdale.

[14:06] I'm a Clydesdale. So what — because in this world that we live in, and Courtney and I talk about this bit, there's cancel culture and everybody wants to complain, you've got to be politically correct about everything. Oh, that's happening here too. Oh yeah. Oh dude, that stuff sucks, man, don't fall for it. So it's all a joke — this is what we love about the Clydesdale thing, is that here's a world where they say, if you're a big guy — or a big one, because there's a girls' category too — we want you to be proud of the fact that you're getting out there and doing a triathlon at that weight, and we're trying to push for marathons to start

[14:37] including the 100kg-plus category, so you can still go out and win your category even if you're a bigger guy or a bigger girl. No, dude, it's like — I think it's like — I'm also really big, and this has been something I fight with back home about cancel culture. I'm just big on calling it what it is anyway. And dude, when you struggle with obesity the way I did, the joke is when I call somebody fat, I don't mean it in a mean way, I just mean it in the most honest way that I wish more people would have been with me. And I'm also going to tell you something — you've never met a fat person and told them they were the

[15:08] first person that acknowledged it for them, that's for sure. You know what I'm saying? It's just — it's never like, how dare you, no way, you know what I'm saying? It's just how we package it out of love. And I think it's — if we can create spaces where people like me feel — you letting me on your running podcast as a guy my size makes me feel accepted, you know what I mean? Because Cam being my friend, Cam reaching out to be my boy, sent me this clip because — how many times has Cam

[15:38] told me — it's all the time, but I want to say it in front of the world. I tell them personally that means so much to me. Like, Cam — the idea that a guy who's literally, whatever, 50-something years old, was just in the top 20 of the Moab, you know what I mean, last year — a guy like that still looks at a guy that's huffing and puffing up a hill and it's like, I'll walk with you. I think I told you this story, but I'll tell you here — the first 5K I ever

[16:09] did — I was 470 pounds, it took me like an hour and 15, an hour and 25 minutes to walk. And it was the big 2 Bears 5K, and I went from like 520 to 470 to even be able to walk it. When I first started training for it, I could walk maybe a mile at best, and it was like a 36-minute mile — I mean, I was a slug. And Cam walked that whole thing with me, that's who Cam is as a human. We're talking about one of the baddest dudes in the world, he could have run that thing backwards seven times, you know what I mean?

[16:39] like with his eyes closed. And he ran it that morning with his son, you know what I'm saying — I think Truett showed up in jeans or something, just busted it out for the boys, and then him and Philip Franklin Lee walked it with me, literally the whole three-and-something miles. Like, that was the stuff that encouraged me, that's when I looked at Cam and was like, I'm going to run Mount Piska with you one day. And I haven't run it with him yet, but we've walked it, you know what I'm saying, and I only stopped once for a little minute break. But my goal is to jog it with him when I go back on tour this next year. Dude would love to do it in Australia. That's amazing. What goes through your head when

[17:11] you're running? Do you listen to music? Do you need noise to cancel stuff out? Do you let the voices in? What are you thinking? Got to hear it, got to fight it. That's what got me into running was the concept of — this is so inside baseball, but my life has become a production because of success, and it's weird, it's a new concept for a super average white-trash kid, you know what I'm saying — all of a sudden there's all these moving parts to your life, and doing everything requires like 20 other people knowing what you're fixing to go do.

[17:44] But in this small world of running I can just sneak away and just do it, you know what I mean, whether it's on the street — I know some people will hate me for this, but it's just my lifestyle, I have to get on a treadmill, and I get on that corner treadmill and nothing matters but my thoughts. And more than anything, I'm reminding myself, as David Goggins says, to beat that bitch out of me — any little inner bitch in me, I'm just running like, you are — you are fucking being a bitch right now, you know what I'm saying?

[18:14] And I do self-assessment — you know, gratitude is a big thing for me now when I run, it's a great way to really — right after my run I love to do my morning gratitudes, I think about them on the run, so I'm kind of cooking them, so when I get home they're fresh, you know, it's really cool. And sometimes, if I left some inventory unchecked the night before, I'll deal with it on the run the next morning too, you know what I mean, if there was something I left lingering, it was like, I don't know if I made peace with

[18:44] how that went, more than the next run, I'll just deal with that demon first. How do you go running when you're on tour like this, and obviously everyone's going to recognise you — how do you go running out on the streets, or are you just on the treadmill more? So dude, here's — I'll tell you fun stories about running for us, we've done it in the arena sometimes, like if we can't get out during the day and find a way to do it. Most arenas are a circle, so we'll just go up and just dog it, you know what I'm saying, it's just, fucking, 60 laps around the arena — we're just inside the arena, you look at the straw and it's just one big circle around,

[19:15] and you're like — and you didn't even go outside the arena, you just did it in the arena. But sometimes we'll just run through the streets, early in the day, man — we don't really get bothered much, and something I really think, especially even back in America, Australians are the most respectful I've seen. But even in America, where they're a little more aggressive at times — it's like, people in general, but even there, dude, when they see me running it feels like Rocky when I'm in America, because a lot of Americans have watched me lose this weight. So they're like, when I'm running

[19:45] now, they're just like, go Jelly, like, go big dog — nobody's trying to get a picture, yeah, everybody's just like — have you become — now, because with the running, everybody as soon as I start running becomes an expert pretty quick — are you now that annoying guy to your friends that aren't runners, are you trying to convert everybody to running? No, no man, I know everything because I know I know nothing, you know what I mean, that's for sure, that's where I live in life in general, I'm more of a sponge. Like, we have a guy around us that runs more than all of us, and he's a running guy —

[20:16] so I trust everything they say. But dude, I hurt my knee the other day, I'm having to take over two weeks off right now for the first time since I started, it's killing me, it's killing me. But it's because I was striking my foot wrong, you know what I mean, I just ran too many days in a row striking my foot wrong, and then my knee was hurting, it ended up in my hip — you know, it's just stuff I'm learning. But yeah, man, what shoes are you running? I'm running — so I'm in my Brooks now, I've been rocking my Brooks, these are the first — I don't know what model these are, I've just tried them, but I was in the — I think these are the seventeens, but the Ghost Max sixteens is probably what I've rocked the entire time.

[20:49] If I'm trailing I'm doing my shout-out to my homie again, Cam — Speedland, you know what I mean, because he'll ship them to me and they're just so good. I've always loved Hokas, because I'm a bigger dude, and I always tell other fatties, like, if you're a bigger dude, you know what I mean, or a bigger woman, them Hokas are going to give you all the support you really want. But you know what we've been really geeked out on — and I've been saying it wrong, I say ASICS, you all say ASICS? I like it, you said it — how would it be like — yeah, tomato, tomato. Yeah, exactly. And the ASICS, I forget the

[21:21] ones — they're not the Nimbus, but the Kayano. Yeah, I'm doing — I like those, man, I really dig those too. What are you running in, are you sponsored by a bunch of stuff? Right, I'm sure, yeah, we run Salomon, most of us. I run in whatever shoes people give me for free. Yeah, he's done a lot better out of this running podcast than I have, put it away, in the variety of shoes I've got, because musically you are — you're a hybrid, like you can do — you do country, you do rap, you

[21:52] kind of cross-pollinate, right? How much do you know about Hyrox? You never heard of Hyrox? Oh, this is a moment for us, right. So Hyrox is kind of — Hyrox is what's taking the gym bros to the running world, it's their gateway drug from lifting weights and getting the beach muscles into running. It's an event that I think came out of Europe somewhere, might be German. And basically there's a whole bunch of athletic disciplines, like wall ball throws

[22:24] and rowing machines and stuff, but in between each exercise you run one kilometre. Oh wow, yeah, that's — it's kind of like CrossFit. Yeah, for sure, it's like CrossFit but a lot more running involved. Yeah, and the exercises, I suppose, aren't as technical, you know, it's not like the super-heavyweights rowing and that type of thing. I think that might be people just getting more involved in being overall athletes. I say this all the time — fighters, if you've ever met fighters, really good American football players, like

[22:55] especially the ones that aren't on the line in the front, the bigger guys, the burly guys, but the ones that have running positions — especially the best fighters in the world are doing those kind of workouts anyway, they're doing those HIIT-style sessions and then adding in long running, because there's only one way to build that lung, man, you know what I mean, like you can wrestle, you build the fatigue of the muscles that way and a lot of lung there. But if you ask Floyd Mayweather — he's a boxer, of course, to this day, what made Floyd great, he will tell you the road work. Floyd will say all that other stuff —

[23:25] no, but what really did it for me was — Floyd, I don't know if people noticed, Floyd did 8 to 15 miles a day in training camp, and he never got hit. Listen man, you start talking about — that's real miles, you start talking about 80 miles a week, I mean, that's real mileage, like ultra-marathon people, marathon people mileage, like that. And Floyd would go into camp doing 7 to 15 a day. You talked about — you've been a — what I love about you is the openness with which you talk about what life

[23:57] was before all this. Do you ever worry that you're replacing your running addiction with just another addiction for you? Yeah, no, for sure. But it was probably the food, right, that became the running. But I think it's deeper than running for me — my addiction's not running, I realised that when I tore my meniscus and couldn't run for two weeks — my addiction is just feeling good now, because I spent so many years feeling bad, you know what I mean. So now it's like my addiction is, sometimes I'll even take my fasts

[24:29] too far — are you fasting? Yeah, yeah, 'cause I'll be feeling so good in a fast, I'll go into a 24-hour fast and be at the 24 and be like, I might as well knock out 36, I'm here, I feel great, you know what I mean, I'm chasing that high to a degree of just knowing how the body's — but I'm just so fascinated with how my body's recompositioning itself. Yeah, how do you find being a father as well, like with the kids, do you find now that you've improved yourself, or you've

[25:00] found a healthier way and you're chasing that high? Oh dude, I just — I can be a good, present father, like I've got a nine-year-old that I can go out and throw football with for an hour, hour and a half, and it doesn't hurt my lower back just because I'm fat and old, but not because I'm super fat, like — I used to not be able to throw, I'd have to sit in a chair or something, pitch balls at them, like, you know, it was horrible, you know what I mean. Do you all do a lot of drug addiction out here, or is it more alcoholism? Right, it's a big drinking culture in this country. Yeah, big party culture back

[25:32] home too, but there's that drug-addict mindset — and I never realised this — but they say that the family will, by default, cater to an addict because it fills a void in the family system, so they have to work around it. So anytime somebody has an addiction, or even an ailment, in a family, the rest of the family has to kind of find their way around it. And I didn't realise that my food addiction had done that to my family — like, we were having to think about, you know, how much energy did I have to go do stuff. Could I do this?

[26:03] Could I do that, could I fit in this, could I fit in that, you know what I mean, all these variables that my entire family was having to — I was imprisoning my family into making decisions around, on my behalf, because of my weight, because of my obesity. So to get out of that and be able to be like — now I can go, like, we rented the trampoline park for my sons, they play flag football, American football where you grab the flag instead of tackle, and I took him to the trampoline park and I could jump with him all night.

[26:34] You know what I mean, and it was cool, because it was the first time I was not the dad sitting out that couldn't do it, you know, it's an amazing feeling — it's why we all run, it doesn't matter what level you're running at or who you are, that's why we all run, right, this feels bloody good. Feels good. What's it like compared to — you know, you're out on stage — what's the music, being out on stage, like, compared to running, how do they — which one really gets you going now, is it both the same? Are we going to get a shoe tattoo somewhere? I'll be honest, I don't — I've never said this publicly,

[27:07] but it's not even close, it's the stage — it's not even comparable, it's not even close to be honest. It's like — it was a hopeful question, but it's like, dude, that feeling, man, it's magical. In your world it's like the feeling of when you accomplish something, and you've had that same feeling in your career, you know what I mean — well, once, I mean as an athlete, and people say it —

[27:39] like, once you've — we never get back that feeling of winning races. There's nothing like it — now, in life, you know, beyond that high performance of Olympics or whatever it is, there's nothing, it's hard to find now. So, I think that might be our signal to say you've got to go on stage, you've got to go to a show. Yeah, we'll wrap things up, Jelly Roll — this — I've been talking too much, I'm the one that came here, we came to talk to you. Though back in America we do

[28:09] long-form podcasts, yeah, so I have this horrible habit now of sitting down with people to do interviews and just talking, like we're going to be here for three hours, like it's a friendly chat. It's the best form, it's the best way to get — just a friendly chin-wag. Chin-wag, very good, way better, the Aussie slang going well, Jelly — is it right? I'm trying, I'm trying, man. Do you go for a trot instead of a run? Go for a trot, go for a trot, I'm learning, I'm learning some stuff, man. I like the chin-wag. Chin-wag makes it — chin-wag's good, Jelly.

[28:39] Honestly, this — Courtney can now accept that this is real. The whole drive up here he was like, I don't think this is going to happen. No, stop the — the whole drive I've been around sport my whole life, like really high-end sport, and this was, you know, today was exciting. But we just — the fact you're part of the running world, our running world — thanks for accepting me, dude, and accepting the Clydesdales. The Clydesdales — sent all the — so they might not be Clydesdales if you accept — we need you to barrack. We need more marathons.

[29:09] Yeah, to have a Clydesdale class. I'm telling you, I'd have to. I would, I mean I'm obviously a Clydesdale, I'm 280 right now, right, I started at 540. Yeah, but I've got like 25 pounds of loose skin, is what the surgeon thinks, so they can just detect, stitch that off, take it off eventually. Yeah, I'm going to eventually have to go under, because it's like mad messy under here right now, it's — it's weird, I'm in the mirror all the time, like, look at this, you know what I'm saying, it's wild, dude, it's crazy. Your absolute pleasure, thank you.

[29:40] Congratulations on everything, Jelly, amazing, amazing. Thanks so much, man, have fun out there. Thank you, man, thanks for coming to hang, man. Enjoy, pleasure. Can we get a quick — yeah, mention a lot, not a fake thing, I'm like legitimately in my bed — whatever team I pledge to, I will be a fucking fan of theirs for the rest of my life. Brisbane, I will watch — Lucky Neil is his name, if you mentioned Lucky Neil they'll lose their mind. Lucky Neil. Lucky Neil.