EP 30 - OLYMPIC UNIFORM SECRETS & AFL TATTOOS

[00:00] In the beginning, Episode 30 — the Dirty 30s, we made it. Courtney, how are you? I'm good, I'm good, Liam. We are — if you're not following along on the Gold Coast Marathon episodes, they are up and rolling. They sure are, In The Beginning runs the Gold Coast Marathon. This is so exciting. And timing-wise, this coming Wednesday you'll meet Bronte. This is our first-time marathon runner, and you'll start to get the information about the sessions, and there's a lot of

[00:31] bombs dropping everywhere. Super coach Benita Willis at the helm, Bronte a first-time marathoner on board, me attempting a sub-three. All that is coming up on the Wednesday episode. If you know someone who's running the marathon, if you know someone who's thinking about running a marathon, if you know someone who's just getting into running and hasn't jumped on board the podcast, now is the time. Because these episodes with Benita, coming every Wednesday now for the next 12 weeks, it's as good an

[01:01] insight as you'll get into first-time marathon running, ambitious marathon-running goals with the best coach in Australia. And presented in a different way than I've even heard it presented before. And I've been through a few coaches. Yeah, you've had a few coaches. But back to our regular Saturday — let's get into it. Now I want to share this story with you. We're going to the AFL world to start this episode. This is the first of its kind — Crows forward Darcy Fogarty this afternoon having a can of

[01:31] Cooper's Draught tattooed on his bicep that he'll wear during the Crows' clash with Geelong on Thursday night. It's part of a promotion for the SA-based brewery, and while the AFL's major partner is Carlton Draught, it's understood the move won't break any AFL rules because Cooper's isn't a protected sponsor, unlike others including Toyota and Telstra. Fogarty will reportedly receive a windfall for the move, and Cooper's — well, it's a bit of a throwback to when Geelong's Gary Hocking legally changed his name to the cat food brand Whiskas to raise money for Geelong while

[02:03] the club was in heavy debt. The question from here is just how far can players go — he's opened a can of beer for the league's marketing division, all right. Very nice, Mitch Cleary from Channel 7 there with the news. Now people would have seen this by now — this was on Thursday night against the Cats, Gather Round, all games being played in Adelaide this weekend. It's an awesome concept as an AFL round theme, for everything to be in Adelaide this weekend. But Darcy Fogarty getting the temporary tattoo — did you see the tattoo? Yeah.

[02:34] Yeah, you could see it. Oh, you can't miss it. Darcy Fogarty, if you're not familiar, has one of the great sets of pythons in the AFL. This man has got biceps for days — he's got a great set of cannons on him, and the can fills him out. If you were to try and pick out the most valuable piece of real estate in the AFL, Darcy Fogarty's biceps would be right up there. It's right.

[03:05] So do I get this right — is Cooper's actually a competitor of the AFL's beer sponsor? That's right. Carlton Draught is the major beer sponsor of the AFL, but that was the interesting point Mitch Cleary brought up — they're not a protected sponsor. I didn't say they're exclusive to the AFL, they're just not protected. Well, I was hoping you could try to shed some light on this as the marketing guru. No, I can't, because 'protected' —

[03:36] OK, so what I'm more interested in is how Toyota and them are protected. Toyota and Telstra are protected, from my understanding, and from a little bit of dealings — the clubs have the right to do their own deals against competitors of AFL sponsors. Right, and that would be the case in this scenario. So it'd be the simple thing, like, take it out of AFL — it'd be like in rugby league, Country versus City, or NSW versus

[04:06] Queensland — that's how sponsors work, there's how the sponsors can be had. What I'm interested in is I'd like to know how Toyota and those actually get exclusive rights so someone can't come in and compete. However, some of the clubs are also sponsored by car companies — like Kia, for example, sponsor the Brisbane Broncos. They just mustn't be able to tattoo it on themselves. It presents an interesting — I mean, Mitch Cleary in that bit of audio referenced Gary Hocking, who, following the AFL back in '99, changed his name to Whiskas.

[04:38] I remember this — this was, and as he said, did you ever change it back? Yes, it was a one-round thing, and he did it to raise money for the club because the club was struggling. Now, the Adelaide Crows aren't struggling financially — Darcy Fogarty would be doing this to fatten his own wallet. It's an interesting line in the sand, or not, for the AFL, because beer has its place, alcohol has its place in our society, but this would probably lean

[05:11] towards glorification of beer in our society, correct? And I'm not saying you can't do it, but the AFL, over the last 12 months under the stewardship of Andrew Dillon, the new CEO, has taken something of a high moral ground stance on a lot of issues. Their attitude is we're not just about the sport, we're about society in a broader sense, and they've taken — there was an incident last year, towards the end of last

[05:43] year, where Ken Hinkley, the Port coach, very much got up in the face of Jack Ginnivan from the Hawks, and Andrew Dillon and the AFL came out and said, that's not what we want our game to look like, we don't want to see that. And I loved it, I love the passion from Ken Hinkley — and look, if he had his time again he probably doesn't do it, but in the heat of battle, the heat of contest, it's emotional. They'd just won this incredibly hard-fought game, and he was fired up and emotional, and Ginnivan had said things in the

[06:16] lead-up during the week that had prompted that emotional response. I have less issue with that than I do with the player getting a can of beer tattooed on their arm, and I'm really interested to know how the AFL sees it. Well, it's interesting because it's not the AFL making money on this. I was going to say — everyone, all these organisations, are always 'people first' until dollars and cents start talking. You know what's interesting? That can change things.

[06:46] The AFL basically own the Crows, right? I don't know enough about the ins and outs of AFL clubs on the commercial side, but where this is going for me around the tattoo thing — let's get back to the actual tattoo itself. Where's the line drawn? Because tattoos can be removed, from my understanding, pretty decently these days. If you get paid a lot of money to tattoo something on you, then in the

[07:18] future, well, I can remove it anyway. This is a way around advertising, getting around certain things, like 'we can't have that brand on the jersey — well, I'm going to put it on my body.' Famously, the comparison being made is J.R. Smith, the NBA basketballer — he had a leg-sleeve tattoo from Supreme the brand, but the NBA made him cover it up. The NBA stepped in and said, no, no, no. I would guess

[07:49] I would guess if this became a thing it would be shut down pretty quick. Yeah, I also don't know if there's enough money — the NBA is a very different world, and Supreme probably had a lot more zeros after the initial number than Cooper's are throwing Darcy Fogarty's way to get this done. Permanent, but it's also kind of a demo, right — NBA and Supreme, then AFL and beer. Beer, yeah. It's pretty Aussie, it's pretty Aussie, the idea of branding and covering and all that sort of stuff and competing brands.

[08:20] Because Bailey Smith is the most recent example as well, when the AFL said he wasn't allowed to have the Nike swoosh on his headband that he was wearing. It's interesting where they pick and choose the cans and the cards. There's a famous Michael Jordan story about when the Dream Team won at the '92 Olympics — when was the Dream Team, '92 or '96 Atlanta? No, it was Atlanta in '96. And the Dream Team at the time

[08:50] was sponsored by Reebok — but Jordan wasn't a Reebok athlete. Even though they were wearing the full Reebok tracksuits, there's a great scene in The Last Dance where he says they won't see this coming, and he walked out and had the American flag draped over the Reebok logos. And to me, that's genius — that's such an interesting one. You know, there's all these

[09:22] rules around who you can be sponsored by. Depending on the sport, you can be sponsored by the team — you've obviously got a team sponsor — but then if your individual sponsor is part of your equipment, you can wear them in the race. So you can wear obviously shoes — Team Australia could be sponsored by ASICS, but you can still go and wear your New Balance in the race. Really? Yeah, yeah, of course, if it matters to your

[09:52] performance, you can still use your equipment choice, your personal equipment choice, which can have your personal equipment sponsor. Same with bikes, same with everything else — they just limit how much space those logos can take up, but you can still compete in a different brand to your team sponsor. So who's sponsoring you at your Olympics? For example, for both our Olympics it was Adidas. So when we're out at the opening

[10:22] ceremony, all that gear is Adidas, or Sportscraft I think was the other one for our formal gear, which is a bit of a weird — that famous sports brand, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one. But then in the race I'd wear — I think I wore New Balance. Right, yep. What about sunnies? Oakley — I would have been with Oakley at the time, so I would have worn Oakley. Sunglasses are OK, but if someone's got a pair of Oakleys and you're out running with them on at the moment, have a look how many logos are on there.

[10:52] You'll see there are two O's, and probably maybe even something on the lens. I think at my first Olympics you could only have one O — one side was only branded with the O. So what'd you do with the other one? No, we just had custom-made sunglasses, but it had one O. So when you went to the Games as part of being an Oakley athlete, they'd have a massive house there, and you'd go in and make your Olympic glasses — make them in green and gold or whatever the colour was, and walk away with your Olympic glasses. It was actually always unique — I always found the one thing Oakley had at the Olympics

[11:24] was this advantage over other brands, because sunglasses is the one bit of headspace you can wear that's branded that's not necessarily an Olympic sponsor, because it's part of your equipment. So even people who'd never been sponsored by Oakley or never really wore sunglasses — take the race walkers as a good example, some of the rowers, some of the kayakers — it was like Christmas for them because they could go and get a free pair of Oakleys,

[11:55] wear them at the Olympic Games and get their free sunnies, custom-made. And Oakley were like, we'll take the free exposure 100% — it costs how many millions, tens of millions, to be an official sponsor of the Olympic Games, and we're getting this for free, because everyone's wearing them as a piece of chosen equipment, so it gets underneath that rule. I love this — can we just — can you just take me — I know we've wandered down an alleyway here, but can you take me more inside that process, about the Oakley house at the Olympic Games?

[12:27] So most brands have a house at the Olympics. Red Bull have their house where their athletes can go — at the Paris Olympics, I know for example the Red Bull house had a podcast studio, media rooms, chill-out zones, a full recovery area just for Red Bull athletes. I think if you put Red Bull athletes on the medal table, they'd have been the third-best country at the Olympics. Really? Yep. That's amazing. And so —

[12:57] that was one house, and you'd have the Oakley house — I'm not across all the brands, but all the footwear brands would have their houses. And when I say house, they literally go into the city — and this is happening now already for Brisbane. They're going in and saying, we need a three-level space in the middle of the city and we're going to own that for the Olympics, and we're going to deck it out, and that's our spot. That's happening already — it has happened already. Some brands are getting onto it now, some brands are already locked in because

[13:29] you've got to think that far out to be able to lock down these spaces — I'm talking like seven years out. So you might be — I'm just trying to think of a place in Brisbane that would work really well, like even your own workplace, the Barracks up top of Suncorp. Yeah, say the Barracks up top of Suncorp, because that's going to be a hot area, right, Victoria Park, all of that. A brand goes, we're going to take that for those three months leading up to the Olympics and during the Olympics, we're going to take two floors of that, please, and that's our house.

[14:02] Wow, and we're going to like — a company or a solicitor firm would come in, and we're going to deck it out, and it's going to be the Oakley spot, the Red Bull spot, the Nike spot, whatever it is, down on the river. I can imagine some of those restaurants would be pretty good. My mind's a little bit blown here. Most people wouldn't realise this happens, but the athletes — because we know during the Olympics in Brisbane, for example, the rent's going to skyrocket when people who have houses move out and Airbnb them. It's no different with these brands getting in early — you're going to get a better price now than you are two years out locking in space. So have we sorted the In The Beginning house?

[14:34] Cheque's good enough — because we know during the Olympics in Brisbane, for example, the rent's going to skyrocket when people who have houses move out and Airbnb them. It's no different with these brands getting in early — you're going to get a better price now than you are two years out locking in space. So have we sorted the In The Beginning house? We're an hour away from the action — actually, it's probably as close as some people will be.

[15:04] We're in the house — I mean, in all seriousness, we should start planning our 2032 podcast. He's kidding. It's going to be busy. For me, I thought this might have happened a bit earlier, straight after the Games finished in Paris last year, but now the election's just gone, and I think there's some momentum coming back into everything — I'm seeing, I'm hearing, things are starting to really ramp up and move. And it's exciting times.

[15:35] And the Olympics is awesome — it's so awesome, and there are two sides to this, let's just say. We're sports advocates, that's right, we're all on the side of sport. I do acknowledge there are two sides, of course, but you know what, we're going to talk about this — this is our podcast, and we don't have to talk about the other stuff. OK, cool. Anyway, Darcy Fogarty — yep, back to it, if I had biceps that big I'd put cans of beer on them too. I'm interested — is this going to become a bit of a trend, one-upping each other,

[16:07] like, you know, mullets started, someone got one and it went crazy — is the branded tattoo going to become a thing? I reckon the AFL, behind closed doors, would be going, we need to find a way to close this door. Yes, Darcy's opened it, we're going to close it. I'm 100% agreeing, that is going to happen. Let's move on — what have we got next? All right, have a listen.

[16:37] To be honest, it starts to get a little bit disrespectful to these athletes, to think that only in track and field does this happen — nobody expects that in any other sport. But in track, oh yeah, we'll just let anybody who says they're fast come in and get a chance to prove it. You can't just go and play in the NBA just because you're a street-ball legend, doesn't work that way — you want to prove it, compete NCAA, become an NCAA athlete, and then work your way in. That's the process for every other sport, and now we're granting some guy some right —

[17:08] that is the process with this sport, but we will put those extraditions in our programme, right? Come on, bro, we've got some other figures, some other content creators who think they're quick too — we can match you up against them, we're all about that. Michael Johnson, like one of the greats — quickly, before we get into what he's talking about, the weird running style, right, super upright — but if you're comparing, yes, yes is the

[17:39] answer, it was unique — went like Bolt and Gout, I shouldn't compare them in the same sentence after last week, but, you know, you look at their body shape and running styles, it's unique in the way they drive through. I think Michael was probably a little bit stockier, so it was probably over-exaggerated — very short steps too, but unique at their best. Anyway, he's here talking about

[18:10] — he's obviously behind this concept of the Grand Slam Track. Grand Slam Track, it's like, I suppose, an American-style thing going up against the Diamond League and whatever else in athletics. I was a bit confused because it started off with him having a dig, saying influencers shouldn't be able to just jump in and have a run against the best in the world, but then finished by saying we'll take some of that too. Yeah, we'll take your eyeballs. Absolutely.

[18:41] It struck me that it's almost a quote taken out of context a little bit, because he was — well, it got our attention off the front, it did — but he was taking a shot, and he's right, it seemingly isn't real. I don't feel like it's happening a lot, across the board rather. But have you seen Speed — who's this? The young people will know, some of the older people listening might not have a clue who we're talking about. He's basically the biggest online personality on the internet — a streamer, huge following.

[19:12] I think he turned up — did you cover this on radio when he had a dig? He also showed up at Surfers Paradise, Demons AFL training, and it was chaos — the kids, it's insane, the following and the fandom that follow him. So did you catch who he ran against on the track? He previously ran against — he had a hit-out against Noah Lyles, and I think they only ran over 60 metres or something, because IShowSpeed —

[19:42] part of his persona is that he's — well, he's supposedly capable of anything, right, he does backflips and jumps cars and all this sort of stuff — and he raced Noah Lyles and genuinely believed he had him. Genuinely believed he was faster than Noah Lyles — that's the level of delusion he operates on. Did he blow him away? Noah Lyles was cantering alongside him, playing with him. What's wrong with me — IShowSpeed dusts me in a race too, probably, and he's

[20:14] probably significantly faster than the average human. But it's like every sport — when you compare it to the elite of the elite, someone who's better than average still looks — I've always had this analogy on bikes: I can ride a mountain bike, but I can't really ride a mountain bike. I can ride a bike, and that's what he's talking about there. What I'm with you on, though, is this concept of Grand Slam Track gets interesting because they've already had the first

[20:44] meet — this was in Jamaica, in Kingston. And I disappeared down a rabbit hole on this after you sent it through ahead of today — the Grand Slam Track, the notion of four events not far apart, the best athletes in the world competing against challengers — I'm like, right, this feels like a very Americanised concept, it feels like it's got a bit of the golf and tennis idea of creating Grand Slam events, crowning winners overall. On paper, that simple idea sounds great,

[21:18] and then it gets confusing — it's complicated, right, it's so confusing what this thing is. So four events — Kingston, Miami, Philadelphia and LA are the host cities. Then the competitors are made up of 48 contracted 'racers' versus 48 'challengers.' So in each race — who are the challengers?

[21:48] Well, they're still elite athletes, but they're the kind of the next-best four who've signed up to be participants — they're not influencers, this is not where I thought they were going. And then it's — he's tried to sort of gamify it by having race groups, so each of these race groups has two races. It could be short sprints, long sprints, short hurdles, long hurdles, short distance or long distance, and then there's scoring based on where you finish over the two

[22:19] different racing groups. Then the competitor who wins the highest points wins the group, and there's a Slam Champion crowned per group, and then at the end of the four events there's an overall points score. It got confusing so quickly — I love sport, Courtney, and I don't understand how this works. I've got the website's frequently asked questions in front of me, because I thought I'd better do my homework today when I saw you were all into this.

[22:50] I got about three scrolls down and went, I'm lost, I'm lost, it's so confusing — then I went to watch the video to try and explain what it was. How long's the video? Fifty-one seconds. Play it. Yeah, press play and I'll ding when I get confused. So — this is the Grand Slam Track: a new pro track league debuting this spring, the brainchild of four-time Olympic champ Michael Johnson. The new Grand Slam of Track will

[23:21] aim to showcase the sport to fans outside of the Olympic Games. The athletes involved — 48 men and 48 women — will compete for a share of a total prize pool of $12.6 million. Among the big names competing are American sprinter Fred Kerley and Canadian middle-distance runner Marco Arop. There are four stops on the circuit, beginning April 4th in Kingston, Jamaica. Runners will compete in one of six event groups — short and long sprints, short and long hurdles, and short and long distance. Athletes competing in each group

[23:51] will run two races at each Grand Slam and collect points for their results on a sliding scale. The racer who earns the most points by the end of the final Slam will be crowned Racer of the Year. Catch all events live on CBS Sports. And — points and sliding scales and race groups, long sprints, and they don't have the best in the world. And this is the key point, because after you sent this through I went and — now I think it's called Beyond the Record, yeah, yeah,

[24:22] Beyond the Record, which is now a podcast — and I found the episode where he talks about this, and why he said no. He basically said, because he looked at it and said, I don't see how you're making money out of this. You're talking about a $12.6 million prize pool, which first of all is only a hundred grand, so it splits out to a lot less. It sounds like a lot more impressive than it is. And the points he and his co-host on the podcast

[24:52] were making was, where's the TV deal, where can people watch this, and what about the size of the fields, having these meets like Kingston and the rest of it — to make money you're going to have to charge an exorbitant amount to get people into these things. And I've seen some clips from Kingston, the first meet — there's no one in the stands. It's made for TV, but Noah Lyles said no because he said the business model, in his opinion, doesn't work — I don't see how you make money from this, and how, in kind,

[25:24] I make money from this. And he is all about the business — Noah Lyles is all about making money and making track a money-making industry and league like the NBA or the NFL. He's the guy who came out after the Olympics and said, I want my own shoe, not a track spike, I want a shoe — he still doesn't have a shoe. But yeah, this Grand Slam Track — whilst I can see how Michael Johnson is thinking, let's create a big thing that's

[25:54] not the Diamond League — I don't know how it's going to go long-term. Let's give it a year and see. But yeah, when it comes to sport and running, running's a pretty simple — for all sports, running should be the most simple thing. Literally put a pair of shoes on, pick a distance, and race someone. Well, let's compare it to the Maurie Plant meet that just happened down in Melbourne recently. For anybody that didn't see it in Australia, it was the big

[26:24] meet down in Melbourne. I thought they did that really well — sold out. I thought they did that really, really well. They put Gout Gout's race as the final event of the entire meet — smart move, that's where all the buzz is. Melbourne's a great city to host this thing, they didn't need to go and build a new stadium or anything, they branded it well, there was excitement generated, sold-out event, boom. And you had — I'll say Bruce McAvaney

[26:54] commentating, yeah, Bruce McAvaney commentating Gout's race, and Lachy Kennedy — question for you, here we go. Without Gout in that final race, does that Maurie Plant meet, outside of the hardcore athletics fans, get a look in? No. We were sitting at dinner in Tasmania, multiple people at the table — not me, I wasn't being rude — multiple people at the table had their phones out waiting for Gout to race.

[27:26] I just wonder — as much as we want to protect him, he's also driving this athletics boom, absolutely, whether he likes it or not. Because there's a lot — Cam Myers, we've got a lot of great athletes, so many great athletes, but the one who's drawing the public's eyeballs, no doubt, is Gout. Yeah, because he's unique, he's new, he's competing in events we traditionally aren't strong in, he's already garnering — and the market, blue-ribbon event —

[27:58] but the marketability of him is also evident by the fact that Noah Lyles has had him on his podcast. He's making noise in the biggest market for athletes, and calling him out was impressive. So yeah, anyway, good luck to Michael Johnson — if you need an official podcast for Grand Slam Track, In The Beginning is definitely available. Back to distance running, Liam: 'Choose jogging. Choose overpriced trainers. Choose choking on energy gels that taste like fucking cat piss. Choose bright trainers, run-club pyramid schemes, useless

[28:29] electrolytes, mid-splits and shit sunglasses. Choose wearing carbon-plated trainers to overtake middle-aged mums. Choose only having one personality trait. Choose giving up therapy to run up some hills. Choose explaining what VO2 max is to a family member at a funeral. Choose telling your work colleagues they have to run slow to run fast. Choose being so painfully average despite pouring your whole life into this. Choose carb-loading for a three-mile easy run. Choose paying for an AI training app and then never using it.

[29:00] Choose transitioning from nightclubs and narcotics to running up mountains. Choose posting this all on your Instagram story even though nobody gives a fuck. Choose running.' I love these, I love these, they're so perfect — from Gerard Dumesky. They're so perfect, they're just so true. In a good way, though — in a great way, yeah, in a great way. I listened to that and I —

[29:30] which one resonated? Telling your co-workers you've gotta run slow to run fast — I am so guilty of that. I don't know about making it my whole personality, sometimes I do feel like I talk too much about running, but it's great. It's great. The narcotics one — probably not narcotics, but clubbing — you know, people out clubbing one day, living their party life, and then suddenly turning into the most healthy green runners, getting up at 5am.

[30:00] That switch is amazing, that's the one I like out of it — almost the new midlife crisis, to some extent. Yeah, but it's happening when you're 25 — a quarter-life crisis, right. The stereotype used to be getting the sports car and sleeping with your receptionist, that's the old-school stereotype. The new-school stereotype is buying a pair of carbon plates and joining a run club. Do you know who's very jealous of all this at the moment? Triathlon.

[30:30] Really? Well, that used to be the midlife-crisis sport, and now there's a younger — running's come — the more people want to send this stuff in, the better. Now we've been sent — this is new ground for In The Beginning podcast, because we love the comments, comments on Spotify, people who listen there, comments on the Instagram page, people who send stuff there — love it all, keep doing it — but for the first time, In The Beginning podcast has been sent

[31:00] an audio message. Yes, without being prompted, which is amazing — so feel free, in the future. Let's hit it. 'Boys, Benny here — I've literally just finished the London Landmarks Half Marathon. What they told us would be a half marathon, 20.54 kilometres — the watch came back and it says it's not a half marathon.

[31:30] Want your opinions, fellas. Got a PB for 20.54 kilometres of an hour and 26 minutes — do we count that as a half-marathon PB, or does it just not count? I attribute this feeling to being offered a million bucks and then being given fifty cents instead. Happy with my effort but absolutely shattered.'

[32:00] 'What's your thoughts, fellas? Anyway, Liam, your running technique tips that you were sharing, mate — some of them were quite handy along the way as well, so kudos to you fellas. Love the podcast, listen to it every week, you boys got me through it, I reckon. Take care, fellas.' Big shoutout to Ben Tennant — listen, of course you're shouting him out, he's given you the big kudos. All right, there's lots to get to — firstly, and a massive shoutout.

[32:31] Thank you for sending that audio message in — Ben has now opened the gate, as far as I'm concerned. If you want to send in audio messages, questions, thoughts, feedback, we're open to it. We will vet them though — if you're happy for us to use them on the podcast. All audio messages now welcome. Now, let's get back to Ben's big dilemma. Have you ever run the London Landmarks Half Marathon? No, new one to me, I've never done it — but what an epic track, what an epic track.

[33:04] Over this half marathon you get to run past and take in Big Ben, the London Eye, Nelson's Column, Saint Paul's Cathedral, the Gherkin, the Bank of England, the Tower of London — literally, you're the red bus, yes, you're the tour bus, and you're running the whole way. What an epic track, love it. Landmark. Well done to the race organisers, they've come up with a half marathon with a great gimmick — the London Landmarks Half Marathon, amazing idea.

[33:34] And the big question is — is it a short course? What can Ben claim as his result? You tell me. He can claim his result — I don't think he can claim a time, sorry, Ben, he hasn't run a — that's not his half-marathon time. I'm sorry, I don't think you can. I don't think it's any different to when I was running triathlons

[34:07] and coming in at 20:28-high, 29-low, and going and telling everyone I really ran that — no, you're just cheating yourself. Oh, Ben, Benny — I blame it on the race though, Ben. I agree — if they're going to advertise 21.1, a half marathon, they should make it a half marathon. This is crazy. As far as — and I'm thinking about this on the fly here — as far as crimes a race organiser can commit,

[34:41] where does getting the distance wrong rank? Is it worse if it's long, or worse if it's short? There you go — it's worse if it's short. Really? Oh yeah, if you're short-changing people on the distance — for the average runner, being short is worse, because you're short-changing someone like Ben on the achievement of the distance. Yeah, because it's not a half marathon. So if short-changing them on distance is a crime, what are some other crimes race organisers commit?

[35:11] You've raced at the pointy end — I'll say disorganised aid stations, too few, too few. Too few toilet blocks, or too few — I've never had that drama. At the start line, or along the course? Could be both, but I'm thinking more start line. It feels like that's a weird anomaly with events — I don't think you can ever have enough. Even if you had a toilet for every

[35:41] competitor in the race, somehow there'd still be a queue for a new one. It's just this weird quirk that exists. What else can races stuff up? Course measurements are the big one. Really? Course measurements are the big one, I don't know — I'm just trying to think, what else. Corners — too many corners in a race? But you know that the London Landmarks Half Marathon is full of them, I'm just looking at the course map on the computer in front of me, this thing is doing a lot of sharp angles, road running — there's

[36:12] probably not too much you can get wrong other than the distance, right, so that is the major crime. But it has made me think — and I'm sure someone else was thinking this — when we're talking about under-distances, what's your take on running a race or a marathon that can be any distance, and taking your Strava half-marathon time, or your watch's time, instead of the race's official time — whichever one's faster?

[36:44] So can you claim — say you believe the course is long because your GPS tells you it's long, and you say, I ran the Gold Coast Marathon in three hours, I broke three hours, but your time across the line was actually three hours and ten seconds. This is a hypothetical — this is hypothetical for 12 weeks' time. I crossed the line, it's three hours and ten seconds, but when you upload to Strava,

[37:15] your watch tells you you've got a PB in the marathon and you've run 2:59:47. There's only one answer here, Liam — I can't claim it. You can't claim it, damn it. But those who live in the digital world 100% claim it — I mean, this is one of the biggest accusations out there in running. But especially if you're in a certified race, where the course should be right,

[37:46] yeah, it's a bit different this year, you know, if you're doing a run off your own — but we do know GPS is better, same with — that's what we still want to be able to do, get a bit better understanding for people in this Road to Gold Coast series, in the beginning runs Gold Coast, understanding the course and what goes into it, how you measure it. Yes, we do need to get a bit — actually a friend of mine — if you have a course, sorry, jump in — if you have a course with a heap of corners and you're apexing everything with a GPS,

[38:19] that's where some of these problems come into effect. A friend of mine just explained to everybody what apexing the corners means — like from car racing. So if you're going around a 90-degree corner, instead of running it a metre out from the gutter the whole way, you literally cut the shortest path possible and take it as a straight line — you cut across the apex, or the point of the corner, to take the shortest route. What you're effectively doing is running shorter than the course is being measured, every time that happens.

[38:53] As if I didn't have enough to worry about with the marathon in 12 weeks' time. The good news with Gold Coast is there isn't a lot of those style of corners. OK, look, going back to Ben though — big shoutout, love that he's done that, love that you're using my running cues as a way to get through it. Wonder which one — which one are you guessing? Lean forward, lean forward — for everyday bodies like me and people at my level, the lean-forward hack late in the race is an absolute goldmine.

[39:26] And I don't imagine on that London Landmarks Half Marathon he would have been doing too many hills — where the other tip was, swing the arms, think about your arms. No problem, I'm just thinking there might be a few underpasses — maybe, 'cause it's kind of similar to Brisbane where you're going under that Breakfast Creek one — 'cause my other running-tip cue was focus on your arms so you stop thinking about your hips or your legs. But I reckon it's the lean-forward, hinge-at-the-hips, little bit of lean forward — how good, free speed, you're making a difference, Liam, there we go.

[39:57] You're making a difference — half marathon, well, we can't call it a half marathon since he didn't run far enough. Thanks for listening, Benny, we love that you're getting involved. We've got some more loose ends from last week though, Courtney. We do — and this one's mine, because I brought up the old Gatorade versus Powerade battle. Luke Towell got back to us — 'Boys, love the pod, been listening all the way through — Gatorade over Powerade is a no-brainer.'

[40:27] 'Fun nerdy fact: it has about twice as much sodium as Powerade.' Sodium, salt, right — yeah, so this is a good thing generally, if you're out running and sweating. Forget the two-for-one specials — Coles and Woolies regularly have them for two dollars a bottle, which is true, I do jump all over those specials when I see them. Do you know Coles just deleted them off the shelf? Oh no — because that was the same. So I'm relying on

[41:00] two-for-one deals. But what got me interested is we've talked a bit about this Gatorade-versus-Powerade thing — another one, sorry, I've forgotten who actually sent this to me, but it was about how sweet — did you just say that? I'm losing my brain — did he just say something about sweetness? Now he's just talking about sodium. Someone else sent me — they prefer Gatorade, they think Powerade always tastes sweeter. Now there is a reason for that — even though they've got the same

[41:30] amount of sugars in them, Gatorade's sugar comes from sucrose and dextrose, whereas with Powerade it's purely high-fructose corn syrup. So even though it's the same amount of sugar, you get a sweeter taste out of Powerade because it's using the high-fructose corn syrup. I'm not going to get into which one of them is better as a sugar, but that's the reason why you might find them taste different. It's a bit different, OK.

[42:02] I'm not sure on the sodium as much — I mean, Gatorade has a bit more, but maybe I'm getting the wrong information on this — potassium. The other interesting one is Powerade includes some vitamin Bs. What are they good for? Metabolism, general functions in the body working better. I've got to be honest, vitamins

[42:32] are a real blind spot in my knowledge — I know vitamin C comes from oranges, and vitamin D comes from the sun, and that's about it. Well, if the old adage's right, and Benita told us this not long ago, if you're eating well, getting all the right food in, probably shouldn't be too much need to go over the top on vitamins. But anyway, on the sweetness — that's maybe why some people have

[43:03] a real preference difference. Nice one. We got some feedback from Christian — now this is, I don't know, harking back to what, are we up to episode 30 today? This is going all the way back to episode 21. Shoutout Christian, this is great — I didn't realise we were going so global, Courtney — we've got a fella running in London listening to the podcast, and we've got Christian all the way from Canada, who's listening back to episode 21 today, where we talked about which sports gave the longest lifespan expectancy, or increased your

[43:35] — racquet sports, which was the topic. Now, Christian said: 'I haven't read the CDC study on life prolongation myself, but I'd be interested to look into whether factors such as socioeconomic status were taken into account. By and large, racquet sports require people to join high-end clubs where memberships are more costly and tend to belong to people from wealthier backgrounds. In healthcare circles, we generally learn that higher socioeconomic status equals longer life expectancy.' That is a very good point. Yeah, that is a very good point.

[44:08] Seems like some common sense — and this is the problem, if you go racquet sports, I mean it's not super expensive, but where we are, our circumstances here, if we wanted to go and play tennis, it's going to cost us some money — it's not a free sport, not like going and having a run around a park, or having a kick of the footy. So it's interesting that if you somehow put a skew on that,

[44:39] into the cost and availability of a certain sport versus the cost and availability of, say, running, because that's what we talk about — I wonder if, weighted, that actually — you know, yes, racquet sports have the overall life expectancy, but I'd find it interesting to know what sport would be weighted to be the best outcome for all. And you know what I'll say to Christian, or anybody else who feels like asking these sort of questions — if you're smarter than we are, it's tough for us to answer these questions, because we can

[45:11] hypothesise, but as I've learnt when I tried to compare your lungs to a toilet, people call you out when you say stupid stuff — generally doctors. Hey, can we talk some running? Yeah — personally, what are you up to? I had my first run back from kunanyi. Yes — had a full week off, full seven days, it's sore, really sore, DOMS were there, DOMS were there. And then I mowed the lawn and I thought I'd — to really pull it back —

[45:42] I thought I'd ruined our In The Beginning Runs The Gold Coast Marathon series — well, I'd already done that. You stuffed it by getting injured, and then — so heavy was the head for me, that wears the crown, all the responsibility on me. I mowed the lawn, and I woke up the next day and thought I'd torn my hamstring, just from the DOMS through my quads from kunanyi and the process of mowing the lawn, leaning over and pulling out all the

[46:14] weeds by hand — I thought I'd torn my hamstring, and I was as nervous as I've been. I was so concerned about what I'd done, and I thought I might have stuffed the whole series here. So I went out, got a massage, went out for a run, and it seems OK. And I'll let you in on a secret — well, I was just as nervous, because I thought, oh no, I'm the one who put him in this

[46:44] race, got him to go down there — our focus for Liam is the Gold Coast Marathon, and here I am, it's going to be my fault I've derailed In The Beginning. No, I think we're OK — I've gone for that run and it felt OK, there was some hamstring awareness, but it's pulled up really well. OK, good news, I'm going to keep looking after it, I'm less stressed today.

[47:15] Be less stressed, be less stressed. So I'm talking with coach Benita, and you'll hear it on this Wednesday's podcast, where she actually adjusts this first week of training because of this injury. And this is what we want to do with this series — it's live, when Benita comes in and chats to yourself and Bronte, she's giving a live prescription of what you should be doing, training, adjusting, and giving the reasoning behind it. You're getting to eavesdrop on a master coach

[47:47] at work. Before we get to your week, and I know you still can't run, but a quick celebrity shoutout — we've gone to London, we've gone to Canada. Quick celebrity shoutout to David Michael Luttrell, aka Lutzi of Nova, who replied to one of our stories the other week, sent me a message saying — I think it's when you were giving your starting-line advice, as in, if you feel like you've gone out too fast, you definitely have,

[48:17] if you feel like you've gone out at the right pace, you're still too fast; if you feel like, jeez, this pace is slow, you're probably right at the right pace. Lutzi sent me a message and said, I'm not sure I've ever told you this, but as a Nudgee kid a few years older than Courtney, we used to get to GPS cross-country meets early just to watch the little blonde-haired kid from Southport School a couple of hundred metres ahead of the pack. Did you go to school with — no, it was a different school, but you were competing across country. Yeah, were you aware of how good you were at the school cross-country

[48:51] meets? I suppose yes and no — I mean, I can recall, when I was in the younger grades — here's the story, so the school I went to, we did compulsory cadets, so we were effectively reserve army. Every week, on a Friday, we'd be dressed — army boots, go to school, army — we'd have to go to army camp. I hated army camp.

[49:21] I was — you know, I'm an elite athlete, I'm a runner, the last place I wanted to be was up in the bush on army camp. So I recall, when I was in, I think it was grade nine, so four years before being a senior, about

[49:52] 14, yeah — and I got a call-up while I was actually at army camp, to go and replace someone from the senior team running at whatever it was, maybe the GPS regional run. And I thought I was the bomb, mate — I got to walk out, I got driven out, someone came, picked me up from army camp, went home, got the running gear, and I'm off to run. And that was probably, you know, one of those little things that drives you to want to be professional and do all that. But it's those times that I might have realised, hey, I'm going all right — well, not only going all right, but this is actually getting me out of doing — the better I do this, the less of this stuff I have to do. There's a life of privilege here, 100

[50:23] percent — but on Lutzi: Lutzi, for those who don't know, is on Nova Radio, Triple M Radio Nova in Brisbane, and he's been there 35 years or something. I met Lutzi — not through, he was older than me at Nudgee College, a competitor school — I met him for the first time when I'd just left school, going out to race triathlon. We were on TV — you'd go out to the Gold Coast Suns and see him there, and that, for press conferences. He came to one of my press

[50:53] conferences that we were going to race in Brisbane in the triathlon the next day. Back then in the radio days he literally had the big box mic thing and everything, he interviewed me as a young boy, and that was when I first came across Lutzi. Now, you know, a lot of friends — Lutzi's a fixture around, there — there is a man who, if you talk about die-hard athletics fans, he loves athletics.

[51:23] He has a proper passion for the sport of athletics — he and someone from the Courier-Mail do a podcast, I don't want to call it Road to Brisbane, they do — towards the Games, towards the Games, that's what the podcast is called, Towards The Games podcast. It's all about passion for Brisbane — that man has real passion for the Olympics, and they're talking about the Olympics and everything else — we probably should go and learn a few things,

[51:53] often — no, it's a good pod, like, everybody has these throw-your-hands-up 'what was me' catastrophe moments about the Brisbane Olympic Games, but theirs is a long-term, consistent view. So if you're genuinely interested about the Brisbane Olympics and how the city as a whole is going to move towards it, it's probably a good podcast to lose yourself in without the hysteria, yeah, that you're getting from a lot of places that just dip in and out of it. And talking about small worlds — on stories, I'll sit in at Mooloolaba, at the pub, the surf club, Mooloolaba Surf Club, and I was having a beer with Lutzi, then your old colleague

[52:26] Dubbo — we're literally talking about this Brisbane Olympic thing that he's doing in podcasts, this is before we started a podcast. Dubbo comes over — hey fellas, you know, all the competitor radio guys in one thing, and it's a small world, isn't it, here in the south-east. Very small world, and to that point, radio — yes, it's competition, but there's good people at every station, decent people. It's not that serious, we're not saving the world. What can — I mean, I give you these run

[52:56] updates now, what are your updates for me? What can you tell us on the injury? Not much going on, mate, I'm still resting. Good news is I feel good — like all the docs and professionals were telling me I'd probably get about two or three weeks into this and think I'm ready to go, but being obviously a bone reaction, you just have to wait it out. So I'm swimming — no tumble turns, interestingly. That's the one thing out of everything in triathlon that I don't do a lot of anymore, probably haven't swum in a year, right,

[53:28] but funny enough I jump in the lake and turn the arms over and it just feels like yesterday. Probably if I tried to go a bit harder, it might hit the old VO2, might hit the old arms, but it's been pretty good. Then we've got to just let it rest a little bit more, and then I'll get into some light riding, so on the ergo, and then into some strength stuff. And hopefully — hey, look, the thing is, whenever you get injured like this, and this is probably the longest, actually, this will be the longest I haven't run.

[54:00] There you go — ever, ever since I was — this will be the longest time I've gone without running since I was 13. What are you now, 44? Jeez. So, yeah, wow — and it's not a problem, like, I'm actually fine with it. The one thing is, doing this podcast, we're starting to realise how quickly six weeks flies by. So I'm pretty much halfway

[54:31] through the rest anyway — flies by, a few holidays over Easter and before I know it I'll be back running. That's one thing that freaked me out a little bit the other day, it's amazing how quickly the time resting goes by. Yeah, this week, post-kunanyi, I had a week off, and I went for my run yesterday, that first run, and I was like, holy hell, has that been a week already, I feel like kunanyi was two days ago and I'm already back

[55:03] running. And then I thought about the 12 weeks leading into Gold Coast — I'm like, oh, that's going to go so quickly. It's going to go very quickly. So make sure you're following along on the Wednesday episode — just focus on the long runs now, focus on the long runs. We love — shoutout to Ben, who broke new ground on the podcast this week by sending us an audio message, and again, if you want to send audio messages in, we're now taking them. I love that we're doing this — audio messages, you can send those through to the Instagram, it's the best way to do it.

[55:36] Armidale is fast becoming — what — the capital of the In The Beginning podcast as far as events go, and Ryan Kelso is probably at least on the board of the In The Beginning Listener Committee. Yeah, I think once we go public, he'll definitely need to get a seat. But Ryan, for those who might have followed along on previous episodes, big supporter of the podcast, regularly messages in, engages in a really great way.

[56:07] And he set up the Armidale Running Festival — he's created this event, we talked about it on the last episode, 14th and 15th of March. It's an epic-looking Instagram page, he's done a great job, and he's trying to build the running community in Armidale, which is great, and he's created this festival for next year. I said last week, when you told me about this, that we should go down there next year. Yeah, and you were lukewarm at best — well, I was like, just settle

[56:37] before we start throwing out — you were throwing out things — you were lukewarm at best, commit-wise. I was lukewarm. And Ryan has heard this, Courtney, and Ryan has responded, right — he said: 'Boys, that shoutout was fire. I can see we have Liam on the hook, but I know Courtney needs a little more, so be prepared for the best pitch — been thinking about this all day, it's like an engagement, and I know I only get one shot, so brace yourselves.'

[57:07] I love this. This is excellent — over the next few messages, because it's quite a message: 'you're going to feel excitement like never before, you're going to wish this thing was two weeks away, not eleven months, and I can already see Courtney packing those recovery slides to take on the streets of Armidale. Here's the pitch — so prepare yourself, In The Beginning family, because this is Ryan Kelso's pitch to us to get us involved with the Armidale Running Festival next year. We've got a weekend lined up in Armidale that's all about community, good times, running, and making it something the whole

[57:39] family can enjoy, and we'd love to have you guys involved. Friday afternoon we're kicking things off with a fun little community shakeout run from the brewery and back — just a cruisy one to get the legs moving to start the weekend. Now, Courtney, I will say, at any point during this pitch, jump in with how you're feeling.' Brewery — OK, it's a good start. 'Friday night we'll be at the Welders Dog Brewery for sign-on, and it'll be a bit of a party — there'll be live music, fresh pizza, and we're planning a boat-race competition. We'll make teams and either do a lap of the block, where you run through the brewery, scull a beer

[58:11] and pass a baton, or a hundred-metre race down the closed-off road — council's given us the green light to shut it down for a couple of hours. Either way, it's going to be a laugh.' That's Friday — sounds like great prep for a marathon. 'Saturday is the big Community Day — picture a proper country market set up with a running festival happening alongside it, we're talking food stalls, local business stalls, coffee vans, drink stands, ice cream truck, everything we can pack in. We'll also have a kids' zone with a jumping castle, face painting, play areas and picnic spots so families can settle in and enjoy the day on the big grassy area around the park.

[58:43] Saturday's events are a free 1K run for kids under eight, a 3K and a 5K, and a 10K.' Right, so that's Saturday, OK, family day. 'Then on Sunday it's Half Marathon Day, same community vibes, all the stalls and attractions still going. A few extra things to get you thinking — the crew from Cat Machinery are on board and are keen.' Oh, Cat, now? Yeah, Cat. 'Category' — Ryan, Courtney's eyes lit up there. You've got me, we're listening to this.

[59:15] 'We're going to run a Clydesdale class and park a big Cat machine at the event for the kids to check out and take photos with.' That is gold — the Cat Clydesdales, that is gold. There you go, this is the big boy, the hundred-kilo-plus thing. I might have to get eating — he continues, there's still more: 'We're getting local schools to decorate big real-estate signs and line the courses with them, just another way to show off how awesome this town is. He's spoken to the school principals and they're keen to get school groups involved in the kids' run — they'll be running in their school sports uniforms and we'll have ribbons for them too.

[59:45] The whole thing is family-focused, so once your bag's packed, start packing the families too. And now for the final sell — prepare yourself.' Holy — I haven't read this yet, have you read all this? Oh no, I'd like to — oh no, I haven't read it, I didn't know about this next bit. OK — 'the boys at the Welders Dog are keen to do a special batch of In The Beginning podcast beer for the event.' Jeez.

[01:00:18] 'You guys can design the branding and have a bit of fun with it, but they are super keen and can do whatever you want. We can then use it for the Friday-night beer races, and you boys can be team captains for another little rivalry game. Accommodation — question mark — sorted, got a mate who runs a motel and he's happy to put you and the families up. And finally, if you both run the half and one of you beats the other, whoever wins, I'll get an ITB 21.1 Winner's Name Champion tattoo on my ass.

[01:00:50] Let's make it happen.' This is — I don't know about the tattoo. I don't know about the tattoo, but the beer can is a hell of a — I'm going to show you what do you reckon about that, on a beer can — I know I should be showing that yet, been working on a little something. And when did you draw that up, and maybe — this is why I was doing it, this is a little new logo I sent Liam, because I think we kind of started this podcast

[01:01:20] where we just, let's just do it, and we didn't really plan on it too much. OK, but it's got to the stage where I thought we actually need to have something — that logo, which I'll keep quiet, I think you might have to blur the camera — on a beer can it would look unbelievable, it's definitely — I'm still on the hook at the moment, so that's definitely a good pitch, isn't it, Ryan. Anyone in business out there, Ryan, standby, standby.

[01:01:53] You reckon we could? I'm in. We're not really in heavy machinery. I am in, like, I'm in. And what I will say is I think we've got enough lead time, we've got almost a year, I think we could make this happen. I mean, look, we're in the middle of doing In The Beginning Runs The Gold Coast Marathon. In The Beginning — let's see if we can't find a partner for In The Beginning Runs Armidale Running Festival.

[01:02:25] Right, Ryan, that is a pitch and a half, great pitch Ryan, if you're — I hardly excite easily, but you got me on the beer can, the beer can. If you're on Shark Tank, Ryan, I'm still in, right. We've got gear to talk about this one, I've got a concept in gear, jeez. So going back, we mentioned triathlon earlier being a little bit envious of running at the moment — can you

[01:02:56] explain what a triathlete wears? A triathlete wears a suit, a tri-suit. You'll need goggles and a swim cap during the swim, then in transition onto the bike, you'll put your bike shoes on — socks for amateurs like me — you put a helmet on, but you wear the one thing that stays on the whole way through. Can you imagine a suit for running? So, we go out — this is probably more trail running I'm talking about here — when we go out trail running, like you did on the weekend, you had the Salomon vest on,

[01:03:26] just kidding, yep. You had a few bottles in there too, yep, weighing you down. What else did you have to wear? You've still got your mandatory gear stuff that you had — your space blanket, snake bandage, a fair bit of gear, you've got a cart-up, quite a bit of kit. What about if you could just put that into your race suit? Nah, don't like it, first reaction, don't like it. You don't want to run in Lycra? No, I'll tell you why — because that gives my brain a sense of claustrophobia, the

[01:04:03] fact that everything's enclosed and I couldn't take any of it off, I couldn't separate myself from the weight of it all. My brain — that's what my brain is doing right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm getting a little bit claustrophobic just thinking about it. You know the Salomon shorts, because they've got the pockets both sides, amazing, they're amazing and they hold well — this is just — imagine having a whole suit. Can I ask a question — this is something I'm doing a lot this year, in all my walks of life —

[01:04:34] I'm doing it at home with the kids, and I'm doing it at work with staff, and I'm going to do it with you right now, Courtney, for the first time — why? Why do this, why create this, is it necessary? For an elite, it could be lighter, not carrying a vest. Let's answer your question — I hate it too, I got out of that, I don't want to wear Lycra.

[01:05:05] I don't want to wear Lycra. So, can you imagine what I'm thinking — anyone listening, just think it's like a Lycra tri-suit with arms and it's got pockets, pockets built in everywhere — that was what I was thinking in my head. Can we quickly talk about your Lycra days? Yeah, what was it like, that was your uniform, just Lycra? I've never really thought about it, but the one thing that happens is when someone goes, are you concerned about, like in normal everyday life, if you had your shirt off,

[01:05:37] or wearing a pair of, yeah, just underpants or whatever, like wearing your underpants around — I'm like, oh, I spent 20 years of my life on international TV running around in Lycra. What did you wear underneath? Nothing. Did you go — you freeballed? Really? But we had a little pad. Did everybody freeball? Not everyone. There was a suit that came out called — it was a brand called Zerod, 0D, or Zerod, and they

[01:06:07] brought out this new material that, instead of Lycra, was like a paper-thin wafer-style material, and that left nothing to the imagination. Really — so guys were wearing budgie smugglers underneath those suits because it was ridiculously thin. And I wore one of those suits — I'm just trying to think what Games, actually, going back now. Here's one — here's a bit of undercover stuff, here we go, if you've lasted this far into the episode. Here's something you won't hear about at the Olympics every day — so when we wore our race suits

[01:06:41] at the Olympics, they had to be Adidas — they weren't Adidas, they were white-branded normal suits we'd wear and plastered with Adidas on them. Adidas didn't make the suits for us. Because — their suit — because they didn't make suits? No, they made suits, I wore an Adidas suit at one Olympics, but at the other Olympics we chose another brand to wear and just labelled them Adidas. So when you saw that performance,

[01:07:13] was that OK? Yes, because it was a piece of technical equipment, but because it was uniform — and this is where it gets a bit tricky, because it's uniform, right, it's got Australia on it, it's got the national emblem on it — it still had to appear to be the sponsored kit of the Australian team, so it was labelled as the Australian sponsor. However, it wasn't actually that brand. That's interesting, there's a little behind-the-scenes peek — speaking of behind the scenes,

[01:07:44] peek — I don't understand how you confidently run around in those things, freeballing. I choose not to wear it as much as I can — I can't, that's why I like — baggies. Did you have a little accident on TV, in any of the coverage? I'm just thinking, because Sam Lalor, the Richmond young fella, in his first game, opening game of the season, celebrating a goal — and I saw that, little Sammy jumped out in front of the eighty-thousand-plus and turned up on the MCG — so what wasn't he wearing? Daks, I don't know, we're going down —

[01:08:15] we're going into DVD extras, I think, it's time. Yeah, hey, that's all wrapped up for today, episode 30 — we're loving the support, the podcast keeps growing, In The Beginning Runs The Gold Coast Marathon series, we're having a lot of fun with it, something new. The best way you can continue to support us is by spreading the word — keep telling people, share the info, send us those audio messages. If you want to get involved, and subscribe, subscribe — I keep forgetting that bit — go subscribe.

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