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# HARRY GARSIDE: OLYMPIC BOXING BRONZE TO T100 TRIATHLON - FEAR, FREEDOM & FINDING THE FIRE
- URL: https://www.inthebeginningpodcast.com/harry-garside-olympic-boxing-bronze-to-t100-triathlon-fear-freedom-finding-the-f/
- Published: 2026-03-17T06:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2026-08-20T11:50:57.000Z
- Description: Olympic boxing bronze medallist Harry Garside on racing the T100, why he chases being bad at things, social media identity as 'a prison', the 2:39 Sydney Marathon he talked himself into on live TV, and the army application he announced for the first time on this show.
- Author: Courtney Atkinson
- Tags: Episodes, Triathlon, Olympics, #Import 2026-07-28 20:58

*Olympic boxing bronze medallist Harry Garside on racing the T100, why he chases being bad at things, social media identity as 'a prison', the 2:39 Sydney Marathon he talked himself into on live TV, and the army application he announced for the first time on this show.*

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\[00:00\] In the beginning podcast, it's the T100 series. We keep rolling, Courtney. Finally we had Matt Hauser. We had Ash Gentle. We've had yourself. Finally we bring an Olympic medal. Yes, to the podcast. Despite all that talent, all we've walked in here. Finally, world champions, everything, Noosa winners. But finally it's taken a boxer to bring an Olympic medal to this podcast. Harry Garside, how are you? Very well mate, what an intro. Jeez. I feel like I feel like it was a lifetime ago that man, I feel

\[00:31\] like I forgot about it to be honest. But I start to be here. I've obviously seen some of your guests and and love listening along. So pretty grateful to be here. T100 this weekend. I know, yeah. Racing. I'm pumped. I've done a couple of triathlons in my time. I think. I don't know if you guys remember the series, but we used to have the Wheat Bix triathlon. Series. That's where I started. But I think my first one was about 7:00\. So there was like this little. I loved it growing up and obviously boxing takes full rain throughout your career. And I'm at this stage now where I'm sort of just getting a lot

\[01:02\] more free time and trying to explore a few other things. And and the T100 kept coming up on my social media so I couldn't turn it down. So you're doing the run though not the trifle, or you're actually racing the. Trial doing the Doing the. Trial Oh the big boy I. Got 100 information. No, no better. Yeah. Don't worry about Matt Hauser, his little 10K trial Harry's actually. Doing the full gear. I will say though, I'm bloody excited to see that 10K from Matt Hauser. I am bloody excited. I've been sort of thinking about it all week. I wanna see. Here we go. Yeah. Well, and we still, we wait to see if Alex, he's going to

\[01:33\] front up to actually pace him. I don't know how likely. It is, I think. I met Alex during the week. Actually, I haven't told you about this. I met Alex here and Kristian Blummenfelt at the Suns training with Matt. And I said to Alex, what are the chances he's like, oh, I don't know. Don't know how do they kick a footy? Not well, no. It's yeah, they might have very great VO2 Max. So Norwegian not kick a drop? Punt Norwegian. Versus English Great Britain, Yeah. Who was a better kick? I don't think I think footy was the loser of the day.

\[02:03\] Yeah, yeah, mate, we've got so many places we wanna go with you. Can we start? Why? Like you say, you started in the Webex world, so where are you at now with boxing? Like, are you done with boxing? Is it still the career? Where are you at? Oh, that's, that's what I'm trying to figure out too, to be honest. Yeah, because. You're 27\. 28, yeah. 28, yeah. So I'm definitely, I'm definitely not retiring, but I think inevitably I started at the age of 9\. So this is my 20th year in the sport. I still go to the gym quite regularly. Like, I love the sport of boxing. I love the art of it. I love being around the boys. I love being in the boxing

\[02:35\] community, but I, I will say like over the last probably 12 months, just felt this like, I don't know, it just wasn't fulfilling me as much and I didn't, you know how easy it is. I'm sure you guys probably can both speak to this, whether it be professionally or personally, Like when you have a goal, whether it be 4 years, six years, like you're working towards it every day and you're sort of chipping away slowly. Like I don't have that same direction when it comes to boxing at the moment. I think this, it's just the flame is sort of a really, I wouldn't say diminished, but it's really getting small and almost like omnipresent.

\[03:07\] It's not even there. So just really noticing that. And I think I've made a deal with myself to try a whole range of other things to try and reignite that competitive edge. And you know, I love competing. I love being on race day. I love being nervous. I love going to the toilet before I try it. Like all these things are so sick. I love feeling the full spectrum of what it means to be human and the emotion of it and I just wasn't feeling that towards boxing as much anymore. So I'm trying to reignite it through other things. Been doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, getting absolutely smoked in

\[03:38\] that, been trying a whole range of other things just to try and reignite it. And I hope that it really helps reignite it in boxing as well. So I'm definitely not retiring, I'm 28, but I want to make sure I enjoy the last few years, my boxing career and I refuse to do something I don't want to do. We get one life and I feel like there's so many people who just feel like they have to do something because it's their identity. And I found this with social media, obviously this manosphere stuff, there's a massive conversation on this manosphere topic, but it's like people become their social media identities and you feel this

\[04:10\] pressure to continue to live up to that. And it's like, what a prison, What an absolute prison. I just refuse to do that. Like boxing I loved and I still love, but I just won't do it because people expect me to do it. I do it because I want to do it. Yeah, it is. I feel like that takes people a lifetime to figure out that what you just said there, 28 years of age. I feel like that prison, social media being a part of it, you're. Probably being thrown in the deep end in that as well, like, you know, very recognisable as an Australian athlete, but also

\[04:40\] on social media everyday, like, you know, kids face it, you talk about this manosphere like kids are facing that everyday. You've seen it. Like what's the answer? Oh. I wish I had the answer. I don't. And I think it's, it's a, it's such a complex issue that I think, you know, these figures, whether we're talking about the manosphere, these figures, they sort of have like really simple answers to really complex issues. Like it's so complex and I think I always just try and lead with a sense of like curiosity and

\[05:11\] openness and, and understanding of self. Like on a day, I'll ask myself multiple times, like how am I feeling? What's going on? And you feel this sense of like openness one to yourself. But then just like understanding that, like if you can sort of connect with yourself more than I think you'd live a little bit better with authenticity and direction. And, you know, I do know that I'm in a place of privilege because not many people have a lot of people are just trying to get by. They don't have that level of, you know, opportunity to explore themselves because they are

\[05:42\] trying to put food on the food on the table, pay their bills. You know, they have people that are relying on them. So I do know my privilege, but also as well, like I think if you can ask yourself questions around who you are and what you like. And it's so sick that we're on a fucking spinning rock. Are you kidding me? Like we just get this weird opportunity to just like live it how we want, you know, and that's really cool. And I, and I always just try and live with the curiosity and openness and just, I'll try anything, you know, at least once, you know, and I and I and I like having that.

\[06:13\] And I and I think it will lead me to some many weird places. And I'm, I'm really excited to sort of experience that's so cool. I love that. And I'm sure we'll go back to a bit of what you touched on there. And the the social media thing is something we talk about a lot here with elite athletes influences, the varying tiers that exist in this world, talking about trying stuff. You just had your first trail race recently. Yeah. How was it? Jeez, it was. Shit. Oh yeah. Where? Where which one? So I did the IT was Matt Hotham.

\[06:43\] I forget the name of the actual race, but it was like 64 KS. The 1st 12 KS was like 1800 metre elevation. It was just the worst 12 KS of your life, but it was it was a lot of fun. I think, you know, finished it in under 10 hours, which was my goal. And it was a long day in the office and I had never really done anything that was just like long like that, you know, like I had done a couple of things, but like, that's just like running is just like that impact on your body and your climbing. And, you know, I did a few other challenges with my mates that

\[07:15\] have been really cool, like cycling. It's just not that same. Right across the country. It's just not the same impact, though. I was running. You could almost do that for a long time. Arguably, you can't run for a long time unless you're dead. Brockman, which is he's. So. How much running when you were like boxing around, like around Olympic time, how much running were you actually doing? Are you doing more now? I'll focus there. When I was younger, I was, I wouldn't recommend this, but I was running six days a week. So that's probably too much like I was waking up before school and running, you know, whatever my coach said he's like

\[07:46\] running is just so good for boxing. He was so old school and there is truth to that. But I very much just took it to the extreme of like running every day. But then, you know, you do have flowing effects when you start getting muscles and you're growing a little bit more. And so yeah, now I run probably 3 or 4 times a week, way less, which is, which is way nicer for the body. We got we got running audience. What case you're knocking out? It sort of changes depending on what I'm doing, you know, so like I'm doing, I haven't said this publicly. I'm doing that back out ultra. So I'm trying to Oh wow, there's

\[08:17\] one next month in April 17th in Saint Ives in Sydney. So I'm sort of trying to do heaps of KS, but also wanting to do a fast time this year 100\. So I'm just trying to like balance this, like doing a lot of KS, but then also like, you know, going fast and then it they don't really work well, to be honest. So I think I've almost done too much, but it's it's been a lot of fun. Like I'm excited for this weekend and I don't know what time I'm searching for on the run, but I just know that I will try and Max out as much as I can. We people that don't follow Harry on social or Australia

\[08:49\] or anything. You do have some pace about you though, Like you. What's your have you? What's your 10 KPB? Oh. I couldn't tell you off the top of my hair, but like I did the Sydney Marrow 239\. There we go. That's what. There we go. There we go. I was looking for a. Ticket almost that you don't remember that one that's 2\. 39 was that last year when it was the first year as a major. Yeah, last year, which was so sick to get a ticket. So I was, I was pretty stoked just to even be on the race. What was that? What was that experience like 'cause had you set yourself to break 240 or were you just going

\[09:19\] out to race your race? To be honest, like my whole prep, I was like, I'm going to do 245\. Like the year before I did a 255\. Yep. I was like, I'm going to do 10 minutes quicker. And then I was on the Today show and Clint Stanway was one of my good mates. Like what time you're hoping for? And then in that brief moment, I don't know what come over me. I was like 240\. He was like, you go. And then I walked out going fuck. I said that publicly. I shouldn't have done that. And then I felt this like it's that was nice because I think there is something beautiful in like stating

\[09:51\] something that maybe just a little bit higher than what you think you're capable. Of you listening to this, Yeah. It's nice because I was definitely capable of that 245\. My preparation was great, but the 240, I was really nervous. I was really like, I don't know if I'm capable of this. And then there's that battle of like, no, I can do it and I know you can't. It's like your internal voices really loud. So we so we run into a pace like watching your watch your hair because like it's really close. Yeah, So 240 I think in majors is like the the last one with the pacer.

\[10:22\] So I didn't have the pacer in front of me and I had to like run really quick for the first maybe 1500 metres, if not 2 KS to find the pacer. So I was like sprinting the first two KS, which is stupid, very stupid. And I actually got dropped. I got dropped in the last four KS of the marathon. I'm thinking I'm not doing the 240, damn it. But because I ran so fast in the first two KS, I've managed to get under, thank God. What a cool story. How was the how was your experience throughout the race? Because Sydney, first time as a

\[10:53\] major I went down, there was a spectator. I thought it was unbelievable. It made complete sense to me that Sydney was the Aussie city to become a major marathon. What was your experience like running it? Unreal. Like it was obviously Sydney's my home now. I'm originally from Melbourne, but like to see it was a beautiful day one weather wise. So there was so many people on the sidelines, which is awesome. And just like that iconic first 5K running over the bridge. And just like that, I don't know, it's really, it's like cinematic. It's really magical. You're going to get down to Melbourne this year because now with the news that Kip Chogo has announced that it is his Oceania

\[11:24\] Race, he's running Melbourne this year. Well, I might. I didn't know that, but I might. Yeah, absolutely. Because obviously it's my home, so I always love going down there and I've just set like a goal to do 1 competition each month, you know? So I've got to like, yeah, that's cool. I've done the, I've booked in the first four months and then I head to Europe for a couple of months. I have to find some things over there. And like a competition could be anything. It could be like an acting show. Like it doesn't have to be sport. I love sports. So it probably will be sport like, but it could be like a fast 5K or it could be like a

\[11:54\] swim race or even like anything that just like allows me to be involved in something. I'm a fool. What he's he's segued nicely into something unintentionally Courtney, you know what they're casting for at the moment. I don't, so yeah. I don't adult movie star survivor. No way they're casting for Survivor now. They're taking submissions. I happen to know someone who might have received an email saying would you be interested in coming on Survivor right now? I feel like that is you all over. Yeah, it would be. It would be interesting.

\[12:25\] Like I, I have like a couple of Dream TV shows. SAS is still on the list and then survivor, but I'm like, I've got like the weakest arms, like when it comes like, you know, like holding yourself off or something like that. Like would be so interesting to see. I'd be out of like I'm a weak man like I'm. Not I'm not very. Strong no ones calling you out. I don't believe. That's the last thing I'm gonna do in here. Take your word, could you with your life at the moment the way could you go away for because like those shows, you got to give them three months,

\[12:56\] right? So you got to commit to three months. Would you be able to do that at the moment? That's the hard, I think that's the hard part. Like, you know, I hate to say it, but like we are inevitably tied to like making a living and I am conscious of like I very much think of like long term planning around like I would love to be a dad one day. I can't wait to be a dad. And, you know, you've got to start thinking about the things you're doing in your 20s. So then that pays off in your 30s and 40s. Like, you know, you do have to think about that. And I think I spent a lot of my life going like, I finished the Tokyo Olympics with a bronze medal and I owe people

\[13:28\] money. Like, I had no financial literacy. We make no money in amateur sports. You know, as I said, I sort of had to take loans to, like, travel. And, you know, all my savings went to boxing. You know, I just love the sport. And you can't put a price on a gold medal. But like, there does come a point where it's like, OK, well, I don't want to be like a deadbeat dad who can't provide for, you know, my kids. And so like, I'm in this like weird moment of like, OK, like, how do you live with passion, purpose while also making a

\[14:00\] living, you know? So I mean, it's like a, it's a weird juggle. Right. It's a question that I asked often when I look at influence, I'm like what, how do you live? Like you say, you're out there every morning with your sunrises and your smoothies and your avocados on toast, but how do you actually pay any bills so. With that, like if you if you were to go back into well, when you're ready to go back to boxing, would you go pro? Would that be the goal then? Yeah, so I was pro. I've had four. Undefeated as a professional 4 Undefeated by three by knockout, one by decision.

\[14:31\] Yeah. So. I've been caught out. I've been caught out here. I'm gonna. I'll, I'll. I'll take it, yeah. I think it's like a weird thing. We don't talk about money, right? So but I don't, I don't get a hold very little shame on things. But like I finished, I come from no money in my whole life and I never really chase money. I always just chase passion and love. And I won that gold medal and then I got offered a boxing contract and it was $15,000 for one fight. And I'm thinking $15,000.

\[15:03\] Jeez, that's heaps. But then you find out some NRL players who transition to boxing are on 100 thousands of dollars and there's a bit of like it's deflating that one. But it's also like, you know, you're getting brain damage. You know, your reputation's on the line. There's so many things to it. And it's just like, is it really worth that? Or is there other avenues you can go to when it comes to like, you know, earning a living while also that like having more of an impact? Because boxing is so like self fulfilling and it's like your

\[15:33\] ego and you're out there. And it's just like, I love the sport and the spirit of it. But I very much like am aware that you're putting yourself out there and it's just all eyes on you know, And I just don't know if I want to live like that anymore. How's your brain? Do you know I've? Noticed like an impact probably over the last two years. Yeah, really. Yeah. Which is like, I don't know if it's just like a self fulfilling thing of like you think about it and then it just don't make sense. You start thinking it more. It's just like injuries, right? Start thinking about it's so.

\[16:04\] Hard to know. Like it's really hard to know. But I also know that like I think about a lot a very functional, but I have noticed like since I've sort of pulled back from boxing, I'm not learning as much because boxing's like you're in the moment, it's very primitive and a lot of it's subconscious. You are like problem solving in the moment, which is really good for the brain regardless if you're getting hit or not. Where it's like, I'm not doing that in anything now. Like you're driving. I'm like, I'm like trying to like join Mario Kart, like

\[16:34\] trying to like problem solve more often. Like I'm like, 'cause it is really important to like keep your brain stimulated. And the phone isn't doing that. Yeah. But keeping your brain stimulated in the moment where you're like learning and you're curious and I don't know that's, I think that's really good for your brain. And I think I've just lost that a little bit. So I think it's slowed down by is. That what a part of this setting yourself, this monthly challenge is about is is kind of keeping as well as your body physically and functionally, but also then challenging your brain, stimulating it. Yeah, yeah. Obviously if you haven't picked it up, I think about way too much.

\[17:04\] So yes, absolutely. But I have noticed as well, like when you jump around from thing to thing, I don't think you give yourself enough time to actually learn what you need to learn. So I think there might be a bit more probably for the back end of the year focus, like, spending months on one thing and like going through the trials and tribulations of, like, learning and evolving and being really bad. And then, you know, rather than going like this month I'm doing a triathlon, next month I'm going to do a swimming. You know, like, you don't have enough time to actually learn what you need to learn to get better.

\[17:35\] Yeah. So what out of the try because we're talking about T100 at this weekend. Like what leg do you get most enjoyment out of? Is it the because I read somewhere you said running for you is the quote was something around like meditation. You felt running was meditation? Do you get the same as swimming? It's really no oh mate I you know it was weird in so I did. I've done 1/2 Iron Man once before in 2022 and I reckon my swim will be worse now than what I would back then.

\[18:05\] And I feel fisted now, which is so interesting. But I feel like I'm in this weird like conscious incompetence, you know, like before I was just a grinder and I was just so unaware of me grinding. Where it's like now I feel like I'm, I've got like a coach who's helping me out and I'm like, he's telling me what a couple of things I'm doing wrong and I'm really thinking about what I'm doing more than it's kind of screwing up my authentic swim. Does that make that make sense? Well, it makes sense why you walked in here and said kind of swim out the back here. He's great. We can, we can give him.

\[18:35\] But there's something there is. And look, this is something for another dad. Well, actually maybe it applies to boxing, I don't know. But Courtney, you're when did your running go to crap? When I stopped doing trust when no when. Someone tried to teach you how to run. Oh, OK. Well, that's what I mean. I've heard people talk about Courtney in the running community here on the Gold Coast as one of the easiest runners they've ever seen. And then the one time they got an expert in to try and teach you how to run, technically you said you'd never been able to stop thinking about your running.

\[19:06\] And then it all fell apart. Yeah. And then this sounds like it's what's happened with your swimming too. Yeah. So I'm just in that transition stage of like figuring out actually how to swim. Well, I hope I'm doing OK time. But to be honest, like swim's important. Of course, you don't want to gash yourself out, but it's like you can only really catch up like what, 2, two or three minutes if you're if you're lucky. It's always, always explain it as a puzzle, right? And the swim's probably 1/6 of it, yes. If you're going to spend time improving somewhere, you're a lot better doing it on the bike or the run. Yeah, yeah. How'd you go on the bike? Not too bad, I actually just got

\[19:37\] air bars put on so I've only done 2 sessions with the air position but it'd be interesting to see like how I travel. On Courtney, is that enough? Putting the Airbus the errors. On the Airbus. Well, they help. Yeah. I'd use them. Yeah. 80 K's is, you know, 80 K's is a lot. Yeah, sure. We're not saying this the first time. So like, yeah, it passes a smell. Test, Yeah, hey, but that position for. That's what I'm nervous about it. Does lock down your SO It locked us down your hip flexors. So then you get to get up and run and you may notice that little bit of a SO.

\[20:09\] What can he do? Give us some on the fly coaching tips. 3 sleeps out. In three days. Yeah, in three hours, 3 sleeps out from three sleeps. But is there anything he can do on the bike in that to prepare for that run? Well, towards the end it's always like if you haven't ridden like that for a long time, getting out of the saddle and just stretching up a bit, definitely in the last 10K or whatever. I mean, you might lose a bit of time here and there, but just to get up and be able to stretch the hip flexes out I think would help because that's the biggest, the biggest difference is once

\[20:40\] you go to the Arrow bars, 100% is quicker. But it does look, you know, effectively you're laying down over the bike so it locks down those hip flexes. Yeah, it definitely does feel like that. I can feel my hip flexes way more. Yeah. And then you get up and you're straight running and then suddenly you want your legs to go the other way. And that's. I'm excited. I'm excited to be in the Hell's Door on Sunday. James this guy love. You. There you go. You'll be there to give. Some punches now, thank. You. What you talk earlier on about the competitive fire and how it's not quite there for boxing like it used to be, and you're

\[21:10\] trying to see if you can reignite it through these other things. How do the competitive instincts compare when you're racing somebody on a bike or in the water on the road compared to when you're standing across from someone trying to land a punch on their face? I haven't felt it like I do a couple of, I don't know what they're called, like crit races. I don't know, like, yeah, just like, yeah. So I've done a couple of comps down in Hephon in Sydney and I think I'm nervous on the bike when I get a bit scared. So I haven't felt this like connection because I'm in this state. It's not flow.

\[21:40\] I'm just in this state of panic and I'm just trying to survive because I'm not, I don't have the best like mechanical movement, like movement on the bike. Running, I truly love it. I haven't felt it was swimming either yet because I just am pretty incompetent at it. So running, I think there's this beautiful nature between fighting and running is the fight or flight. I don't know if you have that same response on a bike. Maybe I will if I get better at riding my bike, but there's just like something very primitive in running, You know, we used to run away from things. We used to chase things, we used to have to hunt for food like, and then fighting is just like

\[22:12\] they are going to be the most primitive act we can do, you know, any combat, any form of combat. So I don't know, I think they're just two very primitive things that there's a. There's a correlation there for sure. I had, I had this question for later, but I'll ask it now. We had, we chatted, we got to chat to Jelly Roll last year and we asked him the question because he's in the run and loves it. But we said like, what's running? And that feeling of running compared to going out on stage. I'm going to ask you the same question. Going out, walking out on to the boxing ring or getting that

\[22:43\] amazing feeling from running. Which one? Definitely probably the fighting one, but I think that's probably more tied to the even. So I guess you take away the crowd because I think if it's more ego, that's more ego like crowd. Yeah, look for me, I'm the man. Like that's ego. But you go from the gym, like sparring in the gym when no one's watching and running, it's like fighting for me. It's just so rhythmic and it's just, I think arguably besides sex is the most intimate place we can go. It's so sick.

\[23:14\] Like you're locked in, you're trying to hurt the person, but there's no real hatred or malice. You're just competitive and you're trying to win. You're trying to dominate them. They're trying to dominate you. There's just like this beautiful tangling of humanity. You know, it sounds so stupid, but I truly love that. And to have that at such a young age and be really bad for a long period of time, then, you know, you go through the journey of like, getting better and better and better and, you know, getting beaten up and then having to shop the next day and you're like, fucking hell, I'm gonna smile this prick again. Like, that's a nice feeling, that is. What do you remember the first time you knocked someone out?

\[23:45\] I've dropped a few people with body shots. I'm not like a massive puncher. I'm quite a bit of a pussy when it comes to like, I know my strengths, I know my weakness. Yeah, yeah. But do you remember the first time you did drop someone with a punch? Yeah, it's a it's a pretty intoxicating feeling, Yeah. But like also as well, like when it's in the gym, there is this level of like care and I think the better you get, like my coach used to always be like, never hurt someone to the head or try your best not to hurt someone to the head. Like if someone, because when someone's a novice in your

\[24:15\] experience, they very much don't know how to hold back and they're trying so hard and they're trying to hurt you, but they don't they don't know how to do it any other way. But it's like you got to like let them know that you're the top dog here. So you just hit them with a couple of body shots and usually slows them down. But you don't want to, you don't in the gym, you don't, I don't think the way I've been taught, you don't want to like hurt someone you. Know the reason I ask is, and you mentioned you're doing jiu jitsu as well. We went through I feel like we might have, it might have calmed a little or maybe it's just not in my world or circle

\[24:46\] anymore. The algorithm's not serving it up to me. We went through this phase where young men were seeking to were chasing that on the streets, were chasing that out the front of pubs and clubs and it became a thing. And I remember speaking to somebody on the radio about it. They're like, bring them in the gym. If you if, if there's young blokes wanting out there, wanting to prove themselves and wanting to come in the gym. And I'll show you what it's like safely and without the threat of anyone dying from these things.

\[25:17\] Danny Green's a big advocate on it, of course, with his One Punch campaign. But do you think, and we see, and we've talked a bit off here before we started recording about the E bike situation here on the Gold Coast and Sydney's got a similar thing. Do you think young men in particular could do with some time in a boxing gym or in a in a jujitsu? What are they called? The den, the rolling mats or whatever it is? Do you think that there is benefit to these young men getting this physical outlet? Yeah, one of my life goals is to

\[25:49\] get combat sport into the school system. Like it probably will never happen in a country like Australia, but like I will 100% say that publicly. Like I think maybe not striking sports, striking sports are really dangerous when it comes to brain capacity and stuff like that. So just being aware of that. But wrestling, judo, you get this beautiful nature of like understanding what your body's capable of and understanding what your body's not capable of. I think there is a whole world where our ancestors constantly were faced with like things in

\[26:21\] their environment where they, you know, like they had to sort of like slay the dragon or like, you know, that's going to collect food. They have to build shelter. Like we don't, it's the world we live in is very safe. And I think a lot of people don't understand you can say a whole range of things and there's no consequences to what? Well, like I think combat's really nice because you get this beautiful nature of like, maybe I'm not as big as what I thought I was. And you'd learn to shut your mouth when you need to And you learn to, you know what your body's capable of. You get this sense of self

\[26:51\] confidence. And I that's the thing I really like about combat sport. There is this weird stage. That's the only thing that's frightening. There's this weird stage where like you've done boxing for six months and you get this level of like, yeah, no, I'm, I'm really good. And ego comes online and then you go and do dumb things because your ego and you haven't learn the lessons you need to probably over 3-4 years, you know, so that's a bit concerning when it comes to combat sport. But I think overall there's way more net positive around

\[27:21\] teaching boys and girls what their bodies capable of. And you know, this sense of, you know, you have to bow to your master and you take your shoes off. There's a sense of respect for your opponent. You shake their hand and you show good sportsmanship. Like that is all really positives. Yeah, I think there's way more net positives to it. There's just, I think it comes down to the coach and the way it's taught. That ain't that. And cross country, we're going to get both. Those I love that. I mean, Harry walked in here and literally said take your shoe. I want to take my shoes off. I said no, don't worry.

\[27:51\] But like it's a respect. I just love the discipline of sport and it doesn't matter whether it's obviously boxing or swimming. It's like where we've come from once. You just have that discipline day in, day out, understand it, have respect to the coach. It's all things that transfer through life as well. I have a question for you because you mentioned jujitsu, you're doing that. So in the States, wrestling, obviously a lot of those guys are transferring to MMA. Have you got any aspirations? Is that part of why you're getting on, getting down on the ground? Yeah. It's more just to, I've always

\[28:21\] wanted to try a combat sport, a different one, because I do know you can't box forever like you do take a lot of damage to your brain. They, I remember there was a few studies around boxing's worse than UFC because purely UFC is way more barbaric, but boxing's head focused UFC, they are mixing between the grappling and, and boxing's predominantly trying to knock someone out and there's a lot of punishment to the head. So I really like the fact that I could do jiu jitsu for, you know, 60 more years if I live to 80 if I'm lucky, like, and I like that.

\[28:53\] So I've been doing that and but I also am competitive and it would be nice to just be in a new environment and get humbled. You know, I like that. I, I like being shit at something and like this week, this weekend, I have absolutely no expectations of myself. I know that I'll get on the race and I'll just try my hardest. That's sick boxing. Now there's all this pressure and, you know, and it's just like it takes the fun out of the actual doing the thing, you know, like, I don't know, I just like being. Hearing you talk about this

\[29:23\] because for context, Harry, I'm doing a Miler race, UTA, in the Blue Mountains in a couple of months and everything you just talked about as I'm talking about being humbled, I went on a bit of a rave when people were asking me why the hell I was doing this and whatever. And I think that word humbled is it's part of it. Now I'm not I haven't been to a common game, the Olympic Games and not an elite athlete, but I still am what you're, I think you've really solidified it in my mind what I'm looking for when I go out there in a couple of months time out in the Blue Mountains.

\[29:53\] I'm looking to be humbled. I'm looking to find pain and find out where. Magical you grow you will inevitably regardless of your result. It's like throughout, like when I did that trial run, it's like there was like 5 or 6 moments where I'm like, I don't want to finish this, I don't want to do it. And you navigate that and then you still finish it. Like that is so sick, you know, to face that. And I think, you know, I will say I've got weaker throughout time, obviously not being a professional athlete as much anymore. Like you do in a sense get like

\[30:24\] a bit softer. You spend a bit more time and comfort. You're watching Netflix, you're international food. Like you need to just like, keep your body. Online, well, it's the, it's the Marvin Hagler quote. It's it's it's tough to get up at 5:00 AM and run 5 miles when you're wearing silk pyjamas, the famous quote. Famous. You know, it's, it's, it's easier to do the work when you're grinding on the way up. And then when you reach a level of comfort that stuff, it becomes hard. Yeah, I remember saying that. So I struggled to qualify for the Tokyo Olympics and I had no money for most of my life.

\[30:55\] And then I got this sponsor on board maybe like 6 months before the qualification period started. And I started getting like a weekly income. It wasn't much, but it was enough to pay my bills and I could finally save the first time for boxing trips and stuff like that, which was unreal. But I felt this weird sense of like, I don't know, like comfort. And I said to my mom like I failed in my first attempt. I said to my mom, all the money in my bank account, I kind of don't want it. Like, I, I felt this weird sense of like, I don't struggle as much.

\[31:27\] There's this beautiful sense of desperation, the things you do. That's why I think like addicts have been in my life my whole life. I think I'm an addict, you know? And they are so resourceful when they don't have anything, they will always find their next thing when they really want it, you know? And I think I lost that for a period of time when I started making money. It was like, yeah, just noticing that. I'm, you know, I'm looking at you, Courtney, as a fellow Olympian who's had to grind through your career. Well, yeah. From a financial perspective. We've talked about, yeah, all the different sports at Olympics

\[31:59\] and how it goes, but there's no doubt there's something in the resilience of an athlete who's come from nothing and what they're willing to put in verse. Like in Australia here to be for a lot of athletes, it is relatively comfortable, right? You get put through a system, which is like, it's really surprising to hear some of your story about the boxing because you know, in my sports, like even from, you know, going back 20 years, but even to right now, the system is set up so well for government support. I would nearly argue are they

\[32:30\] possibly too like exactly what you're saying, too comfortable. The fact you never had that with boxing, like it's super surprising to me off the off the cuff, so. When you say you came from, I hope you're OK with me asking. When you say you've never had money, like what was growing up like? Yeah, like my parents just, it's working class. Like I definitely before you leave or before you get to a position of age where you understand the world a little bit better. Like, you know, I travelled for boxing at the age of 1617 onwards. So probably before that I always

\[33:02\] felt in my community, this sense of I was probably one of the lower, like I felt quite poor compared to my mates. But I also know relatively speaking to the world, OK, not poor, but it's like you can only judge yourself based on your environment and what you know. So I think until my world expanded, I felt, yeah, I felt quite poor. But it's sort of my dad worked really hard, roof tiled since the age of 14\. Mum worked at a primary school like multiple jobs growing up when I was younger.

\[33:33\] They worked really hard. Like they're in a position of comfort now 100%. But they, the 1st 1012 years of my life, like my parents didn't come to any Interstate trips until they had the money to, you know, like they didn't see me win nationals and stuff. And, you know, like that was just like normal, like, but they worked really hard to get to the position that they're in now where they're a bit more. And you're a tradie as well. Yeah, shit was. But you have you? Have you a qualified plumber? No. So I was a roof, Tyler. Ohh, you're a Tyler. So I was both ohh I worked my dad for about 18 months as a

\[34:05\] roof Tyler and then I worked as a plumber for about two years. Right. So if there's a leak here, could you? Mate, call someone else. It pays good. It does pay. It does. I was working with my brother, so he was getting me on all those shit jobs, like digging the trenches and shit, like they're getting out of their house. I was like, screw this guy. Boxing is unique though in that sense because the Olympics is truly amateur. There's always, you know, golf is in there for crying out loud. You got multi, multi millionaires going and playing there, same as tennis at the

\[34:37\] Olympic Games. But boxing is an amateur sport at the Olympics. And then it's, you see, we have seen so many fantastic Olympic boxers then go on to become and there's this in to the to the casual observer, there's this seemingly enormous carrot of wealth and fame in the professional world. Was it always in your mind that I want to become an Olympian first and then become a professional? Or was did you just want to box?

\[35:08\] Yeah, I think it was just wanting to box. Like I think my Olympic dream probably started at the age of 7, like before I started boxing. So like, I remember being like really inspired by Grant Hackett. It was such a like one of his smaller moments. But for me, I was seven. It was like a perfect moment. 2004 Athen Olympics, 1500 final, probably in his career. It's like a massive moment, but not the biggest moment. But I was just so moved by that and just like my whole family watching it and just being captivated by that moment and it

\[35:38\] probably it probably ignited my Olympic dream. Every young kid naturally sort of wants to be like the people they see on TVI think. And then I started boxing the age of nine. And then it's, it's like, I remember getting you like this interview when I was like 12 for the local paper in Notre Dame and I was like, I'm going to win an Olympic gold medal. It's like I had fucking no right saying that. The arrogance of that 12 year old kid to say that. But I think I think there was this beautiful sense of like, I wanted to win the state title. And then when you win the state title, it's like that was almost

\[36:09\] bigger than winning a bronze medal. Like that state title at that moment was like, oh, my God. And then the national title and you just, you just evolve. Like, I never thought that I'd actually get to where I got to until maybe, like, later in my career. Yeah. There is so much in that one minute, we in another. No, no, at another time. We're going to unpack that one minute. So remind me because. Like. You wouldn't get there unless you had all those aspirations when you see the medal. And then I say this to when I speak at like public functions

\[36:40\] all the time. I say to parents, your kid at that time, their school cross country is their Olympics. The same pressure applies. Then when you get to the state, you feel that same pressure at states because that's the highest level you've been to. And it doesn't change. It's still you get to the Olympics or from myself anyway, exactly the same pressure I felt at grades and cross country to win. Same. It just changes. You go through time, You mentioned that because I was exactly the same, but mine, I'm

\[37:11\] a little bit older, so mine was Kieran Perkins. Yeah, I saw Kieran Perkins win and then I went on to want to emulate triathletes, but that was a similar situation. Do you think in today's age kids have that same aspiration from watching the Olympics or are they getting their motivation from other areas? Has it changed? I think there's still definitely a market for it. Like there is definitely still people, many young people playing sport. Whether that's pushed on them by their parents, I'm, I don't really know. I don't have kids of my own. But I think there's just, I've

\[37:43\] thought about this a lot. Like I think obviously the Western world broke away from religion after World War One. We had the roaring 20s. There's this new sense of freedom, like, you know, like we don't really know there's a God or not a God. Like we're not in war anymore. And I think, I think we're feeling the ramifications of not in the Western world not having a religion. And I think a lot of people are looking for like religious figures or messiahs through influences or through social media. So I think people have this desire to feel, to follow or to have this, you know, this is

\[38:14\] my community, this is my tribe. This is what I believe. This is the leader. Like a run club. Yeah, absolutely. And a lot of people are finding them through these. And I think they're just like, a lot smaller, you know, I think where it's like the beautiful thing. I'm only 28, but I still remember, like, having to run to the toilet between ad breaks to make sure you got back and didn't miss any moment of the TV. So I remember those moments where it's like, I think it's just like they're not as big. The social media, they probably get more virality, but there's

\[38:44\] just not that. I don't know, it might be different, but I'm not a kid so I don't really understand what they're going through. I mean, I as a dad of kids right in that influence zone, I'm with a nine year old and a five year old and I know they cop grief, but I think right now the Matildas are the Olympians of that era, right? Because my daughter's nine years of age, we went to that World Cup quarterfinal where they beat France with the penalty shootout. Still the greatest live moment of sport I've ever been a part of.

\[39:14\] The influence that moment had. We went and saw the Tillys just recently here on the coast when they were playing in the Asian Women's World Cup. We will see the impact of this Matildas team in 10-15 years time because the impact that this team has had on this next generation of young girls and boys to a lesser extent, but particularly the young girls. I think coming through we will, I think you know, 10:15 from years from now, women's football will go through another golden generation. As a result of this golden generation, that influencer ability of sport I think still

\[39:47\] outweighs that of what we know is influences just because I don't think influencers have the ability to create those goosebump moments like our athletes do, like our sports does. So like I'm sure you did with your let's talk about your Olympic moment, the medal. It's interesting because we had Ash Gentle in here who has a, you know, she discussed the fact she doesn't have a great relationship with her Olympic experience because in her mind she failed bronze medal. How does that digest with you?

\[40:18\] What? Where does the Olympic experience sit with you now that you're past it? Like definitely when I was in the athlete mindset, like I've said publicly a few times, it was a failure and stuff like that. I think I've come way more to peace with it. Sort of like it's not a failure at all. Like you know, like you've followed something for like for take away the Olympics. You followed something for so long, regardless if you go to the Olympics or not. Like you followed your heart and what you found interesting. Like that's way more powerful than any gold medal, bronze medal. Like it's like I went through all the trials and tribulations

\[40:49\] and then it was like a massive journey. I think people want the quick fix, including myself. Like I'm, I'm Privy to this too. Like you want the quick fix, the easy thing that you want to lose weight, like do it quickly. Everything's quick. And I'm like the beautiful thing of starting at 9 and being really bad and then winning a state title. Like that's so sick. That's more powerful than the actual moment of the bronze medal. Like of course, I think like I'm very proud of like working really hard for so long. Yes, I do think it is a failure. Like we are there to win gold a whole 100% say.

\[41:21\] That's like I still believe that. Like we're not. I think when you get to the level of like Olympics, it's like you are doing it because you love it and passion and purpose, but like you are there to win. Like that's what we do it for. We're not playing local footy. We're there to win. Two time Olympian over here just nodding along quietly. Yeah, we are. We are there to win anyone. And I don't ever think like, but don't settle for anything more than the biggest. Don't settle for. It you're not, you're not going there not to try and. Win, right? Try and win, absolutely. And if you're there just not trying to win, maybe don't even

\[41:51\] go like, yeah, I don't know, like just go play for fun. And that's so respectable too. I love people who play footy, you know, local league footy, I love that. And they're 3035\. Like that's sick, you know, you've found your thing that's so mad. But like Olympics, you're there to win. Yeah, I'm laughing along, but it's just so refreshing. So much coming out of your mouth, Harry. So you did that because there is that refreshing, that participation attitude and that. Yeah. It's OK to strive. I think that's that's the key,

\[42:23\] right? It's OK to stroll. You know what I find interesting? I've spent a fair bit of time training with the Americans. You know, they're very different culturally to us. Like when you see a doctor driving a car with you, screw that doctor is stealing all that money. They see a doctor driving a car, they're like, jeez, I want to be a doctor. Like their mindset is very different around like success and winning. And it's like they believe they're world champions before they're even close to being world champions. So they become world champions. It's like in Australia, because of the tall poppy stuff, you have to like be humble, but like

\[42:53\] you have all this, I'm sure you're the same. We have all this internal noise going. I can do it, I can do it. But then you're also battling the thing of like, oh, can you, can you do it? Like that's inside everyone. And I think in Australia you have to keep that arrogant side quiet. You have to be like, yes, no dive. I respect my opponent. And but like there's something inside of you that wants to win. That's why we're there. That's the whole thing we're there for is to compete and to try hardest and to win. And I think, I don't know, I just think we have to in Australia, we've we maybe just

\[43:23\] changing the narrative around. Like you have to be like, yeah, no, I just hope I go out there and try my best. So no, you're there to win. Like let's go. Like that's all you trained for three months for. Like you put 15 years into this. Let's go, let's say it loud, and let's try our hardest year. Do you think we'd ever accept an athlete like that? Because I look back on, if you look back on our most loved athletes historically, you know you have Kathy at that top tier, right? Humble champ. Even Ash Barty, more recently

\[43:53\] humble champ Pat Rafter on the tennis court, humble champ Lleyton Hewitt, not as loved, far more outspoken about his ambition I would think, but two time Grand Slam winner. But I don't think he was probably as loved as Pat Rafter was, as an example. Yeah, but you're talking about humble, all of those athletes like whether you're just because you're humble doesn't mean internal. You're not going. I'm going to Yeah, we'd. Love to know their. Internal. But what I mean? I mean publicly I agree.

\[44:24\] Would we accept? How do you think we would embrace if suddenly the next we? Let's say let's use a current example. What if Gout suddenly started well and Gout is fairly confident, but what if suddenly Gout turns up at Brisbane 2032 and, but, and, and he's behaving like Noah Lyles. How do you think Australia would react to that? It would be interesting, but if he won, I think there'll be there'll be two different realities. If he lost, yes, there'll be a whole bunch of people going, yeah, I told you. So he shouldn't act like that.

\[44:54\] But if he wins, I think those people are silent. So it very much is based on result, I do think, yeah. But yeah, which is the I guess the one. I get what you're saying. Like it is true. Like I don't even think I would. You know, I'm saying all this now. If like, if there was someone acting like an American, some Aussie acting like an American, like there is beauty in like, you know, But I will say that it's like maybe being a bit more accepting to the public of, you know, an athlete who is showing the humble traits but also says, no, I'm out here to win like that. Eileen Goo does it better than anyone. She's been nailing how she

\[45:25\] speaks. I'm like Jesus Christ. She's bang on. My personality like element to it, right? How you go about it? You can be confident and still loved, or you can be confident and just pure arrogant. So true. Well, yeah, I would say I think Nick Kyrgios probably falls into that ladder and I'm a Nick fan. I think Nick put bums on seats for tennis for years, probably still does. If Nick got into next years Australian Open, got himself fit again, you would see attendance records because he's an entertainer. But I think if you took a straw poll of the country and their

\[45:56\] thoughts on Nick, he'd probably come out unfavourably for him because of the way he's carried himself. He has so much potential too. Like he's like arguably one of the better players on the, on the on the court worldwide. You know, he hasn't reached that potential because maybe what's going on internally, I don't know. Was the and there's the coaching. Look, we can sit and breakdown. That's not what he did. Hey, did you ever have a boxing? What was your in ring name? Aussie Harry, There's Aussie Harry. There's not much that goes with Garside, you know, So I just

\[46:26\] Aussie Harry. I'm very Patronic. I love this country, the bits. You know, it's funny, I actually just applied for the Army. Yeah, drop that's the first time I've ever said that publicly. But I don't know, it's a big commitment, joining the Army. Massive commitment. Just a little bit. Yeah. I've, I've always been really interested in it. Obviously not very sure on what to do next. Really. I'm not actually joining the Army. I'm just considering there's a bit of a process to it. But yeah, just I love this country. I think we're on the brink of war worldwide and I just, I

\[46:58\] don't know, I couldn't fight for my country in boxing and not join the army. Do you have aspirate like aspirations for like special forces? Is that what interests you? It's funny because boxing up until the age of 17 1/2, almost 18, I was, I never thought that I could actually get anywhere. And then I won my first nationals just before my 18th birthday. And I always thought I was going to finish school at 18 and join the Army. That's always what I thought I was going to do because I didn't think boxing was going to work. And then I was hit with this moment of like, oh, my first

\[47:29\] international trip, 18 years old. Do I explore my dream or do I just go and do what I thought I was always going to do? So the Army's always been an interest in SAS and Special Forces was the dream, you know, the thought, not the dream. Does the training of that excite you as well? Yeah. And I think I think just like the camaraderie, but then also like the ownership and accountability and, you know, like there is so much beauty in that. Like I've always been attracted to things like gymnastics, ballet, boxing, like these militant of style sports.

\[48:02\] Yeah, I'll. I'll come back to the ballet because I want to ask some injury questions, but. Can we stay on the Army stuff? Do you? Yeah, 100%. But my question you want to go to the Army, do you miss with what you're doing right now? Do you miss the structure of everyday training? And like boxing's like crazy training, right? Are you missing that structure? So much, yeah. And I do. I do think that there's maybe a sense of like immaturity in that, you know, I've been really contemplating this around like

\[48:34\] as an athlete, you're very much like, it's like you're a school student. You rock up to training. Someone's wrote your training session for you. The Army is arguably quite similar. Like you sort of you don't have much say. Someone tells you what to do and you do it. So I do know that hey, maybe I need to just get that structure in my life myself. There's maturity and manhood in that where it's like, maybe I haven't managed it that well, you know, because like after sport, like I'm not boxing as much as anymore and I'm just like I just make up my day, you know, I just wake up and I go, what do I just say?

\[49:05\] And you know, like there's no restructure, you know, but that's on me. That's on me. The agency is on me. And I think I'm looking for it. Yeah, because I was so used to it for 10 years. I think you're gonna always be looking for it. I think when you've spent 20 years, well, 20 plus years of your life, every day being so structured towards a goal and then going into four year periods and everything else, it's next to impossible to one day wake up and then just suddenly it's like the FIFA time. You're going to just

\[49:36\] procrastinate and waste all the time until you have that structure in place. I mean, to a different level. Like I just see it and so many things you're talking about today. I'm just like, oh, like. It is. It is the most I've ever seen Courtney not his name during, I mean, I'll be wanting to interrupt, but I'm not because yeah, we'll, we'll pull this apart. But yeah, the structure. To the Army thing, and from what I can hear, it's that classic post athletic career slump that we see of

\[50:08\] footballers, of swimmers. We see it from so many of our athletes who get to the end of that first career. For most people, when we end our first career, we might be in our 50s, but for so athletes, you get to the end of your first career and you're in your 20s. And so it is that natural slump, the army thing, aside from the physicality of it, aside from the routine of it. You want to fight for your country. Is that something that's always like, was that something that your parents instilled in you? Or is it this idea that you've you've grown into at 28 years of

\[50:40\] age? Where's that come from? Yeah, definitely. My parents, my parents, my great grandparents were in the army, both my grandma and grandfather. Yeah. And I think I've always just had like we've always, I've been to every ANZAC Day, even when I was overseas, like I wake up at the same time and do my own thing. Yeah. So I very much, I think our family very much instilled that in US. And, but you know, it's interesting. Like when I was younger, there was a level of like, and I don't really say people in the military are ignorant because

\[51:10\] they're definitely not. But I was quite ignorant to the what workings of the world. And even still now, like I have ideas about my beliefs in the world. And I also know that I'm 28 year old male who hasn't had heaps of life experience. So like, I'm aware that I'm quite ignorant now as well. But I, I think you start realising that like people in the army fight these wars for these politicians who are a bunch of fucking, you know, like, and I'm like. Courtney's nodding again. Yeah, and I'm just like battling this grappling of like

\[51:41\] protecting my country and the honour of that. And but they're also going on like the Muhammad Ali famous quote of like, I'm not going to go shoot no Vietcong, you know, what have they ever done for me? Like what have, what have they ever done to me? And I'm like, it's so true. You these physical men, EG us are like fighting these wars for these idiots in these. And I'm just like. Sit behind the desk. And I'm just like, I don't know if I morally could do that now. I think when I was 18 I was way different with my morality where it's like it's a 28 year old man. I'm like, I would be going over to the Middle East or going over

\[52:14\] to somewhere and shooting someone who is the same as me. I was. I don't morally I think I would. I would struggle, really struggle with. That your patriotism's a really interesting thing as well, because I think we're now, I mean, I'm 41\. Courtney's in his 40s as well. Boys looking good. Thank you, but you're welcome back anytime. But we're in a let's not be naive about this. We're in a time here in this country where the idea of being patriotic, the waving of the Australian flag comes with certain connotations to it. And yet you are also a boxer

\[52:48\] who's fought for his country at the Olympic level, but then wears nail Polish and does ballet. And it's sort of it's, it's at odds with one another from a purely from a stereotype perspective, This idea, this pride you've just expressed in wanting to fight for your country. How do you marry those two? I guess exterior surface level opinions of it all. Well, I love that. I love that's maybe how I'm portrayed. I like that because I think every human is just as deeply complex as me.

\[53:20\] But when it comes to like identity and stereotypes, I think I think so many of us don't get the opportunity to fully be ourselves. So we just form in line and be like the people in front of us. And I don't know, I, I'm really fortunate. My dad was very right wing conservative. My mum's in Medium, she talks to dead people, very spiritual. So it's like this weird mix of not really knowing one's left, one's right. They both have flaws. They both got really positive things to them. So I will call myself a centralist, you know, in many things I'm also very weird.

\[53:52\] Like my beliefs are all over the shop and I like that. And I think when we have the opportunity to not feel shame because I do think every young person early in their life, like base themself or what they know themselves to be at the age of 6 or 7\. And then slowly but surely they get told not to be that, you know, and like Kanye West, I know he's arguably insane. He's extremely smart though. He has this beautiful quote around. Like a kid gets up on a coffee table and then that old person in the room goes get off that coffee table. The kid doesn't even know what coffee or table is.

\[54:23\] You know, they're just getting out there because they feel like a superhero, you know? And I think throughout our life, we accumulate all these coffee tables of people telling us how to act and how to be only because they formed in line and become that. I'm like, when does anyone ever actually, arguably just, I don't know, be who they are today, you know, Which will change naturally, you know? Or you go from boxer to triathlete. And that's the thing. And if you go on a day to day, like there'll be times where I'm unhappy and I don't want to go outside. And there's times where I'm really happy, you know? And then there's times where I,

\[54:54\] you know, feel shit. And like, that's just the beautiful thing of being here. Like, I like that. And I like just being with it all, you know? That's for it's again, Courtney's been nodding along in different parts of that, but hearing you talk of like that is as well as I've heard someone sum up the confusion of it all. Yeah, well, that's the best part. I think it's the best part. And it's the level of acceptance. And I just don't like how as a society we kind of prioritise, you know, feeling happy over

\[55:27\] feeling sad, you know? You know, it's like when someone says, oh, my God, what's wrong? And I'm like, I know that shows a sense of care. But they're just as important as each other, you know? And I think we place the meaning on them up to, you know, yeah, we place the meaning on. It's like, you can also look at, you know, a really shit day. I'm not saying it like something really bad happens in your life. You just be like, oh, I accept it. You know, like, yeah, actually feel that emotion. It's pretty important. But like, just know that's just as important as your best day as well. That's really nice. Look, we could keep going for a I've. I do wanna hit you with a few

\[55:57\] more things. Whippet Friend of the Show asked if you're gonna tape your ears back for the triathlon. Right. These ears get radio signal. They're definitely not aerodynamic, these bastards. I didn't expect that. Yeah, what? What are you though to talk about T100 though again, what's your like? Have you become a kit nerd with the bike? Have you become a tech gear nerd? You're obsessed over it all, Do you? Do you get? I was never like that as a as a boxer. I was very much, I'm a grinder, OK, yeah, that's, that's my like some people track their macros and I just like show off and you

\[56:30\] just have a real cracking. And yeah, so I very much like even like last night I remade my bike. I flew up from Sydney and I somehow ended up with a screw and I'm thinking, what the fuck? Yeah, I'm like that's under the best. That's not good. How? Where is this screw going? How you can't let you leave without asking. What shoes? What shoes are you gonna wear? I'm responsible Under Armour and they've got these beautiful ones. I, I wish. I know that I think they're called Velocity. I did run the Sydney Mara in them then they're just coming out in the Australian market and they are fuck can speak like I

\[57:03\] felt really quick. I have to look those in them in Sydney Mara. So I really hope that it helps with the 18K. Under Armour Velocity. Yep, with another question I in the end. What's your tats Got a tat ear a now this one. What? What does it say? You know you can never see it on a picture. Oh, OK. That's why I can't tell her look. So it's Roman numerals. There's a funny story. Yeah, give us this. I was 14 years old in Bali, probably shouldn't have got the tattoo and I got my family's birthday's Roman numerals and I got my mother's birthday wrong. So.

\[57:33\] And I'm just thinking like. I said it's the wrong date. The wrong date? Yeah, your mom's birthday and never got it changed. She sounded like crying when she thought I'm so sorry, but I'll make you feel better. I do the Brekkie radio show with a former AFL footy player, Spida Everett. He got his. Jeez, I haven't heard that name. There you go. Yeah. I see him every morning if he comes out. He got his daughter in Kings Cross in the late 90s on a night out. He got his daughter's name done on his ankle at a tattoo parlour

\[58:03\] in Chinese, but he doesn't speak Chinese. So he went down to the Chinese shop around the corner from the tattoo parlour and said, can you now his daughter's name is Caitlin, Said can you write this in Chinese symbols? And took it back to the tattoo shop. We got it deciphered the other day. Oh no, says Karen. Seriously. We're just taking the. Piece no, not 100%. We got we got a Chinese person to come in from the uni, the

\[58:35\] language school and they're like it means Karen, your tattoo of your daughters name, which is Caitlin means Karen. So, you know, yeah. Hey, so T100 this weekend and then that's the challenge. You're gonna go out there, you're gonna experience the race, whatever will be will be. You're gonna hang around for the Sunday to watch the 10K with Maddie Hauser. Hell yeah for. Sure, brilliant. And then what? What comes next? You're talking about these monthly challenges, a bit of a. Backyard if you were listening. Yeah. But Wednesday, Is that next month? Yeah, next. Month, yeah, so I haven't actually booked in May onwards,

\[59:08\] so yeah, I'm also going to Europe in May. I would love to get something done before Europe and then I can enjoy some time in Europe, but I still have to do June, July when I'm in Europe so well. Come up, come up to Uta I. Don't even know what UTA. Is the ultra trail Australia in the Blue Mountains? It's in May. OK, so there's the there's the there's the 201K race. Yep, there's a 50, there's a hundred and there's the Milo. Come up and hang around with me in the for the Milo. Every time I do, every time I do like something like that, there's a bigger event. It's like I always buy it off

\[59:38\] more than I can try. Like, yeah, ego comes online and then I'm like, fuck what I say. Well, it's no so it's ultra Trail. Australia is run by Iron Man. So it's your mates at Iron Man? Yes. Well, you come up there, you'll see you. It's a 50\. The 50K is a good one. You'll get through a little over 2000 metres of elevation. 50K you spend much time up in Katoomba. Not age. Or the stairs, yeah, the further steps at the end, I reckon. There'll be a bit of recovery after a backyard. Yeah, that's the thing. It's hard to know what. You don't know. Yeah. I don't even know if I'll last a day like I have no idea I'm. Certain you'll ask.

\[01:00:10\] The weekend, just not. With the mindset you got your last day, it's all, it's all the backyard stuff. It's all mindset. Well, so they tell me what? Is it 7.8 K? Is it 7.86 point? Seven, Yeah. They just had the first one here on the Gold Coast at the Spit I. Heard over the weekend and they went on soft sand as well. Yeah, jeez. Have you been, have you run up at the Spit before? Yeah, you'll have to go for a run if you want to have a run here. The Spit's a beautiful place to have a run, but they did it around. It's kind of like a got a clay trail. And then I believe they went out

\[01:00:40\] on the. Soft sand that would. It's like your Achilles, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to look up the winner, the fella that won it smashed it in. I feel like he did 100 laps but that might be exaggerating. Yeah, he just sent an OG. My people are insane and I love it. Yeah, yeah. But we'll be out there watching. Yeah, we'll be there Saturday. So if you're getting out there, if anybody listening to this is going to be out there spectating or participating Saturday or Sunday, make sure you keep an eye out. But what's, what's the kit? What do we wear? We decided to be honest. Mate you are the most unorganised I know Olympian I've

\[01:01:12\] ever. Met I just get on there and have a very. What's the suit? Do you try suit or something? Yeah, I gotta try suit. What colour? Well, there's a there's either a black one or so. Speedo gave me a couple of suits the other day, so I'm just trying them both out. See, everyone feels better. Sounds like a plan alright. So it would be blue or black. That's been one of the most enjoyable chats. Harry yard idea thank you genuine thrilled to have you join us good luck for this weekend You are welcome back anytime thank you.

\[01:01:42\] Hey, feel free to text us in the updates on the monthly challenges and we'll keep the in the beginning family updated. Alright, you. Should see how I go. Yeah, my Monday gets July, not wanna do it. Thanks mate.