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# EP66 - THE ITB CHRISTMAS SPECIAL 🎄 STRAVA WRAPPED, SHOE PODIUMS & WHY GEN Z LIFTS FOR LOOKS
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- Published: 2025-12-19T06:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2026-08-20T11:24:57.000Z
- Description: Courtney Atkinson and Liam Flanagan on Strava culture, Olympics & 2032, Gold Coast Marathon — recorded on the Gold Coast.
- Author: Courtney Atkinson
- Tags: Episodes, Main Feed, Strava, Olympics, Gold Coast Marathon, Triathlon, #Import 2026-07-28 20:58

*Courtney Atkinson and Liam Flanagan on Strava culture, Olympics & 2032, Gold Coast Marathon — recorded on the Gold Coast.*

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\[00:00\] In the beginning podcast, episode 66\. Courtney, we are back. Not quite. Merry Christmas to everybody. Not quite coming up. This is the Merry Christmas episode very soon. Merry Christmas to everybody out there. Thank you to everybody that's been on board with the podcast. Oh, here's one to start. You go for a Christmas Day run. Not anymore. OK, Boxing Day, Yes, traditionally a training day, though historically for you, Christmas Day. Christmas Never mad? Well, that's racing. OK. Probably nowadays I take it off. You take it off.

\[00:32\] I will be in Tokyo this year. We are going to Disneyland on Christmas Day. Probably won't be running. Be running after kids. We'll be doing a difference in the running. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If anybody's getting out there on Christmas Day for a run, enjoy. Treat yourself. Make it a present to yourself. Now it's the end of the year, we get in there, Strava yearly wrap, it's come in. Everyone's got their individual ones probably maybe a week ago. We've also got the back end of the trends for the year of the

\[01:05\] app itself. So this for anybody out there is thinking that they can find this on their personal profile. You can't. This is not your your Strava year in sport. Your rapt is what you'll be able to access on your profile page. But you, you Courtney, this is the back end stuff. This is the back end stuff so. You've broken this all down for us. You've done some serious data analysis and this is Fitness trends. Trends, what's going on? OK, what you have helped give Strava information, what they mine, what mine data off. You know about what they what is it? Data mining, Data mining what

\[01:36\] they've got out of you. You know the best thing people have seen people actually see Strava as an app for good. Yeah. So in a world of social media doomscroll, you see anti doom scrolling. They're calling it anti doom scrolling. A thoughts just popped into my mind. What's that? The newly introduced Under 16 ban for social media. Should get on Strava. Well, is Strava usable? Is Strava fall under the ban?

\[02:07\] I haven't. I haven't heard Strava mentioned in the Parliament. I hope it's not banned because it would be counter intuitive to what the Australian government wants to do, which is to get the kids out and about exercise. Well, here's the stat For every two minutes a subscriber spends on Strava, they spend one hour being active. Say. That again, for every two minutes the a subscriber spends on Strava, they spend an hour being active. And it would make sense.

\[02:38\] That is a fantastic statistic. You go and do something and then you post and then you might have a bit of a scroll through but you literally are statistic bloody good. It's good to see something in the world doing some good. Good on you, Strava. That's a great number. I like that. It's a gold number. You've LED with a great #2 minutes on Strava equals one hour of activity. That's that's the stat they've got boom. Now the other stat that I know our listeners are always interested in shoes. Let's go the shoes. What do you think were the top

\[03:09\] three pairs of shoes and model? So the model of shoes for this year globally 2020\. 5 globally. Globally, I'm going to say the Nike Vomero. Didn't make the top three. I will throw out the ASICS metaspeed close ASICS sky. There's a lot of ASIC shoes, isn't there? ASICS Novablast? Novablast, damn it #1 shoe was an ASICS Novablast for the year as that was number 1 was it #1

\[03:42\] OK. Great shoe, great everyday trainer. Have you worn it? Yep, it's great shoe. OK, it's good shoe #2 I'm trying to think to the was it a Nike? Yeah, Pegasus, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean that's, that's pretty generally comes in every year. Yeah, so the Nike peg, OK, so if you've got a six Novablast, you've got a Nike Pegasus. It would suggest to me that the third shoe is going to be an Adidas. Give you a hint, it's going to be more in the comfort realm.

\[04:13\] Hoka, Hoka. Hoka you? You don't know your Hoka models, do you? There's a there's a Bondi I. Don't either. It's a. It's called a Clifton. Oh, the Hoka Clif. I do know that true. Yep. But OK, so that's number three. Hoka Clifton Essex, Nike Hoka. There you go. Do you know what that says? Look. What were your What were your three? Here's a question and anyone who's listening, feel free to send them in and tell us if you had to say your your three shoes of the year, does it actually probably gives you on the let's? Have a look on the wrap, I'll

\[04:44\] jump. In what do you reckon? What do you? Reckon I would guess my I'm not great at loading my shoes onto my runs. I'm not great so I probably wouldn't provide it. I wouldn't be too accurate what I would guess though. Where do you find that bloody? Here we go. I can find that. Does it give you your numbers? You're in sport. Yeah, I'm finding certain. I'm gonna I'm gonna take a stab here. Here I go. I'm gonna take a stab at mine. Have a look through if you can find yours.

\[05:15\] I reckon my number one would have been, and this is a a really underground shoe but OK I reckon my number one shoe I wore was a Salomon Thundercross. OK. The reason I like the Thunder Cross was it in the majority of my longer runs in the trail. It's actually a little bit harder under foot than a lot of the new softer foams. And it just suited me and it's a shoe that they're actually it's on run out. Yep, which is conscious. Is always good because you can get on. No, no meaning run out as in I don't think they're gonna make

\[05:46\] it anymore. So like, I'm a bit sorry. Yeah, yeah, I need a bit of funeral #2 I would have said later in the year when I was doing a lot more Rd, I reckon I would have come in on that new vomero. Yep, of Amero would have got a decent run and then #3 I'd actually don't know what my #3 would have been OK. I reckon it would have been just like sporadic. Yeah, I would have had in there as my, I actually think, you know what I, I think I probably would have done a lot of this

\[06:16\] year was in the ASICS Kiano because, right. I was doing a lot of those easy runs, sort of post Gold Coast marathon. Yep. When I didn't really have a goal race in mind, I would have that as my number one. I would have had Boston, the Boston twelves. Ah, yes, as my that was, I use that a lot as an everyday trainer when I was trying to get some speed in, I was using that a lot. Yep. So I would have had the ASICS, Kiana, the Boston twelves and just on recency, because I've

\[06:47\] been in anticipation for this, for this mile of next year. I've been running, I've been getting up in the trail. So I've been back in the trail shoes and I've been running in those Salomon, not the S/Lab Genesis, but the the Golf dimples, the golf Dimple shoes, which were what are they called? Sally from Gold Coast Marathon the other day message I've got a pair of the golf. Dimple shoes. The Golf. Dimple shoes. I can't remember what they called the Salomon. Probably not the Salomon we're really after. No, no, hail dam the hail bench. Shoes is what I was calling them. The ones with the big golf, oversized golf. Simple looking.

\[07:18\] They're the bottom of the Aeroglide 3\. Love them. They're they're again, if I was racing, probably not what I would be wearing. Yeah. But as a trainer in the trails, I'm loving them. My feet come out of the trails. My my legs are blasted, but my feet feel great. So yeah, that's probably my podium finish for shoes. Hey, I'm gonna skip around a bit. Yeah, we're from, we're, you know, every, we know all everyone who listens, loves us talking, all this run and stuff. So we're gonna spend a little, fair bit of time here today being the end of the year. One that popped up that kind of caught my attention was city, city rivalries.

\[07:50\] OK, so the waves driver put it there's a coastal rivalry in the United States. So East Coast, West Coast, Yeah, but. Particularly the rap game Courtney. I'm down with that. I'm. Fine too. You get it. OK, so New York versus LA, New Yorkers run faster, lift more weights and do more yoga than LA crew. So LA run further. LA has more walkers, longer hikers and early risers. Well, that makes sense. OK, so 2 coasts, 2 very

\[08:22\] different. Now take that rivalry and let's go SE Queensland, Sydney Or, or should we go SE Queensland and Melbourne? I think Sydney. I think Sydney is. The most natural rivalry. OK SE Queensland, Sydney. What? What's the description? So New Yorkers will run fast and lift more weights and do more yoga and LA will have more walkers, longer hikers and early risers. Have you got something for me? I do you see there a difference?

\[08:55\] I hate to say it because I'm now a Gold Coaster. I think gold coasters are guilty of more Hyrox I would say. I would say SEQ has more highroxes than Sydney, so more. Hybrid. I reckon there's more hybrid athletes. No, I do. I think there'd be, and I don't hate to say no. I, I, we, we take the little bit, we take the piece out of Hyrox a little bit. The truth is I'll probably do it in the next couple of years. Honestly, I think it's great. I would guess that SEQ has more hybrid athletes than Sydney.

\[09:28\] I think there's probably. I think Sydney athletes run faster. I would say Sydney runners, yeah, I would say Sydney runners run faster. We might have some more. You think we've got a better, bigger walk? I think we're probably more LA than in the New York VLA. Well, I. Would say that. I would say we're more Lai think there's the more it's a more. Definitely the early rising. Well, and just by the very nature of the. Fact We don't have daylight saying. No, exactly. But also by the very nature of the city, the Gold Coast inherently and Brisbane SEQ,

\[09:59\] I'll put it under that banner. By its very nature it's laid back. It's a changing market. I think that's it's not quite as laid back as it used to be, but by it's very nature it's much more easygoing. The speed of life is slower by comparison with Sydney. Sydney is New York. Sydney is fast paced competition, win, win, win, go, go, go. Got to be seen to be doing all these things. Whereas I think the SEQ is a lot more comfortable in its skin of not trying to keep up with the Joneses broad brush strokes I'm

\[10:30\] making here. So I would be saying that Sydney runs faster. Yep, more about performance probably. I don't know about lifts heavy. I don't think that quite applies because I think the the. No, I reckon, I reckon if you go down the Esplanade or even breezy River Walk. I think the aesthetics of the appearance and the aesthetics of SEQ, we care more about the appearance and the aesthetics than Sydney does of how we look.

\[11:01\] Yes, OK. So. Less shirts worn you're. OK, let's put it into that though. If you just were putting a counter on who wear who which. Which Sydney wears? Sydney wears more clothes than than SCQ. I've got Sydney runs faster than SCQ but wears more clothes. I think there's our wrap. Yep, there's our wrap. We don't have the the stats for. We don't have these. And he just guesses. But you're on the right track, because where I was hoping you'd go down is vanity. Yep, SEQ or. Probably probably the most vain

\[11:36\] running spot outdoor exercise spot in the country. OK, so one of the stats that come through and it's not SEQ stat for Sydney, but this is overall Gen Z are spending the most time in the gym lifting weights. But the feedback they've got or the the data they've got when they've always asked some questions and everything is it's actually all about the looks in the gym about it's not about the fitness, it's about that's a by product.

\[12:06\] It's about the looks and. It and it makes sense when you consider what are the two dominant or the three dominant apps of, of Gen Z. It's Instagram, it's it's Tiktok, it's it's apps that prioritise visuals. Vanity is shining through in the Tiktok generation. That that was my statement there at the end. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. It would be interesting to see how the users of Strava, the demographics of Strava match up because Strava's not an app

\[12:37\] where vanity matters. That's very true. Let me see, because in a minute I'm going to just run quickly through the whole document I've got in front of me. But yeah, so vanity in that so. Gen Z is spending the most time in the gym. Makes sense. Love the gym and maybe that's also pushing that, but running's booming. So the other stat that came through is when it comes to racing, Gen Z are the ones actually driving the whole racing.

\[13:07\] Interesting as well that. So I'll see if I can quickly find this about the racing because there's here we go for. People out there wondering because I always get. Sorry, sorry, not the racing. So the data's come from Runner about what people were training for. Because just for people out there wondering because the the age ranges of the generations always confuses me too. Gen Z by general definition is 13 to 28 year olds right now. Yes, it's 28's quite, I mean years go by, right?

\[13:38\] But I always think when Gen Z, I'm always thinking like 2223\. But I suppose Gen Z grew up like all of us and 28's like that's a fair. It's a big. It's a big, it's a 15 year grant. It's so someone who's 13 will have nothing in common with something who's 28\. Exactly. So it does make sense. Gen Z is born so Gen Z, well, he's another general, different generational category categorization. Gen Z born 2001 to 2020\. That doesn't seem right. 1001 yeah, well that's making them 24

\[14:16\] year olds. Gen Z Oh, here's a OK, so Gen Z gives me 97 to 2010\. OK. So that's what you were talking about, 20? Eight, generation Alpha is 2010 to 2024\. Yep. And generation beta is anybody who's sort of born now onwards prior to Gen Z. It's the millennial generation, which is where I fall. 81 to 96\. Are you in that or are you a Gen Xer? 65 to 80\. I don't have category 79\. Yeah, you're Gen X, Gen X, Gen X-65 to 80.

\[14:46\] Then it's baby boomers before that. OK, sorry, keep going. I just. And when we talk about these generations, I need them in my head. Yeah, you need them. OK, So Jen said anyway, because a lot about, I mean, obviously in marketing terms and and business terms, everyone's out about winning Gen Z, right? Yep. Winning the new users, winning the new whatever business you're in, making them buy your clothes, trying to win them. So there's a lot directed around this. Like back on the rules, I was talking about races, wasn't I? So Gen Z would leading the charge on who's entering actual

\[15:20\] races. OK. So that's where the growth is being driven from. It's Gen Z, it's the younger age group. I would have thought it would have been a lot more. And millennials are actually quite low. What's encouraging I would say there is that if it is Gen Z leading that charge, perhaps you're seeing that carry over of people finishing school and still finding sport because it's it's, it's probably an older narrative that.

\[15:50\] I just think it's trend. I actually disagree. I think it's purely trend, OK, in the sense of when you say they're finishing school and finding sport, yeah, they're doing that probably maybe more than they are now going out and doing other things. But they're just, they're just following the herd. The herd, yeah. And that's herd mentality. Herd mentality is growing and it's just it's. Continuing Gen ZA bunch of Browns cows who just follow each other. Yeah, cool. Yeah.

\[16:24\] So, OK. Yeah, so good. And then on the so back more on that racing side of it, this has come from obviously Strava getting in with Run the Runner app. They have the data on what they're actually training for. So when it comes to the half marathon versus the full marathon, it's a skew. So for half marathons and there's also more people training for 1/2 marathon. Than a full yeah OK, that surprised me. 34% of let me look at this data.

\[16:56\] Yeah, so they've got the data. They've breaking it down in from 100 percent, 34% are women training for the half marathon. Cool 29% are men training for the half marathon. So there's more women training for the half marathon than men. Yep. And but when it comes to the full marathon, 12% of women and 20% of men, What do you what how do you read that? So there's a lot more like as, as that's, you know, there's 34% women training for the marathon

\[17:28\] first. As for the half marathon, sorry, first, you know, 20% of men training for the full marathon. So there's still a lot more people training for the half. The interesting the next data I would love to see is conversion from half to full because I think what you've got there is a classic, you know, and again, we'll paint some broad brush strokes. We men late before they look.

\[17:58\] Yeah, you reckon they just go? I'm just doing the. Marathon. We late before you look, you go there's a marathon. Whereas I think, and again women who I think are the smartest species because they think through things are going yeah, I like this running. I'm going to try 1/2 marathon and if I like 1/2 marathon, I might do the full marathon. Whereas Blokescape Marathon, let's do the marathon. You're talking to a guy.

\[18:30\] You are literally, I have The Walking embodiment of that statistic. Why would I bother with a half marathon when there's a full marathon there? Why would I borrow the bother with 100K race when there's 100 mile race? I'm the embodiment of that stat. And we had the other half of it on the podcast earlier this year for the Gold Coast Marathon series in Bronte. Got into running slowly, slowly. Here's a 10K race, Biceps. Here's a half marathon. Now I'll challenge myself to a marathon. Yeah, me and.

\[19:00\] And and which one of us has had the better year from a running perspective, would you think? Well, who? Who was? Running B like Bronte, yeah, B like that's that's cool. That's an interesting. Step Yep, Yep, and then but the number one trend that strava's like, you know, putting the sirens on and and pointing out is running. I should have asked you. This is a question. The top sports on the app in 2025\. Yeah, running was #1\. Right. What is going to be the quickest growing sport though, and what's coming quick after running?

\[19:33\] What's coming? What's going to be the next sport after running? Now it's by saying sport I'm probably putting you down the wrong rabbit hole. Because if you think about is gym a sport? It is a gym, by the way, but is gym a sport? No. Hyrox is a sport. Hyrox is a sport. Gym isn't a sport.

\[20:05\] Gym's not a sport. No, OK, so I'm putting it down. So what is it? It's not gym by the way. Or is it because walking's a sport, walking is a sport? If is it walking, it's walking? Well, it's a sport. There's a walk at the Olympics commonly. It's a splay. My kids do little athletics and they're they do much to my frustration, walking, it's a sport. Do the officials call them out?

\[20:35\] If Jane, they do actually, they can take it way too seriously. If Jane Savile was sitting here with us, the heart, the heartbreak story of the 2000 Olympic Games, who was DQ D on the way into the stadium that that is one of those sidetracked. Can we just go on a quick tangent before we go back to, of course, before we go back to shit, canning, walking. Do you have any sporting moments? There's there's only so much room in your brain for for certain images, moments, memories. There's probably a lot less in my brain. A lot less in your brain, but are there any moments that you recall watching on TV that just

\[21:08\] burned? Do you have any moments that, despite all the years that might have gone by, you can remember being there and watching it? Yep. Or live or or on TV. What do you got? Swimming Kieran Perkins coming down the outside line, Duncan Armstrong. Yep, on the What was the big German swimmer? Michael Gross. And Lori going ape shit in the stands. I'm trying to find his first. It is gross from West Germany.

\[21:39\] I'm just trying to find his first name. Yeah, Duncan Armstrong on the lane. Wrote Michael Gross. From West Germany, they're to that as a kid, 100%. You can still remember. Because when I was swimming, I was a kid. So, you know, we go about emulating people. Last week we were talking about emulate. I always grew up as a triathlete wanting to emulate Brad Bevan. Prior to that, though, I grew up as it like a tiny kid swimming. So I'd be at the, I'd be probably at the TV just watching

\[22:09\] the Olympics. Like I have the most vivid memory of watching that moment at the 2000 Olympic Games. The. Card into the. Study where Jane Savile is on the descent on the ramp down into Sydney Olympic Stadium at Homebush and that Dick head official walks out with the disqualification. Yep, flag. OK, we'll get back to whether it's a sport or not in a tick, but when it is a sport at the

\[22:42\] Olympics and those type of sport, do you find it entertaining because of these rules and because there's a little bit of theatre to it? Oh, I love it. Well, the the only reason? Look, if Jane Savile had gone on to win the gold medal, I'd probably forget watching it because like. I can't remember that moment, but I can require them. And I don't know, this may be in a few different Olympics as well. When you kind of TuneIn at the end of one of those longer walks and you're seeing, oh, they've already got 2 strikes, one more strike and they're out. Yes, I guess that's what more

\[23:15\] sports need. But they need more. Jeopardy. 100\. Percent. There needs to be more jeopardy. 100% see, more of that would actually make more sports interesting. Unfortunately, they've got that interesting part down. It's just it's Jane Saville three time Commonwealth Games gold medallist. She won bronze in Athens four years later, but she was 400 metre lap away from winning the Sydney Olympic gold medal and then that and that's her homeless. She's a Sydney girl to home

\[23:45\] Olympics. Oh, never forget it. Never forget it. OK, sorry. Back to walking. Is it a sport? Yes, it's a sport. Courtney. They some of these walkers, most of these professional walkers, walk faster than I run. How many, how many people have you seen lately along the S when you're running down Tugun on the Esplanade on the footpath? How many people have you been walking? How many people have you seen swinging their hips? Very few. Is it a sport? Yes, it is. Yes, I agree with you. It is a sport.

\[24:16\] Race walking. But we, but we, we forget. It's a sport most people like. Oh, OK, here on Strava, I don't believe it's a sport on Strava because anyone who's a professional and we remember we talked about that young fella who in one episode this year we're talking about the young fella who did a 10K, the junior Australian championships walking, who walked at I've. Got everything 36 or something? Yeah, yeah. 36 minutes, 38 minutes maybe, yeah. And we're going see when he's on Strava he's classed as a runner.

\[24:49\] Because of the speed? Yeah, surely if he puts in the categories a walk. That's a good question, Do you think? Because he's walking. He's not running. Hang on, hang on. So you're saying when I'm doing, if I'm a Walker, if I'm like a categorised Walker, sport Walker, race Walker, when I do my track session, it's a walk. I put walking in scrub. Because it's a walk. If anyone, if I'm in theory,

\[25:19\] we're not going to have any. More Gosh, we're not. Going to have any? Walkers, you are a race Walker listening to this podcast. Please reach out. Please. So many questions to ask. Yeah. It's a walk. It's not a run. It's a walk. I Have you ever tried it? No, not since like junior prime race. I can't recall trying Junior. Prime We should have a walk race. How do you reckon you'd go I. Here's a this isn't my story, OK Oh, you're you're on a we still haven't got to our golf comp.

\[25:49\] I'm still adamant I can kitchen golf. New year, New year in a walking race. Yeah, I walk slow. So. Do I? I walk my even, even my wife says when we're we're out hiking on the odd occasion she's like, yes, dawdle slow. Because I'm like, if I'm going to walk, I don't want to break a sweat. I agree. I agree. If we're going, if we're trying to get somewhere quickly, let's run there. But if we're going for a walk, let's just walk. OK, so here's a question. We're talking about Strava. If you're do you put in, I would you put into your activity? I hiked, I walked or I ran.

\[26:23\] If you went out for if you went to Twin Falls and did the circ and just happened to, you know, clock some KS on your Strava. What am I? How? What am I doing? Am I walking or am I hiking? Or running? Or do you just put? It in if I'm going out with my kids. If I'm going down to the Twin Falls waterfall, which I do regularly with the kids, that's a walk. OK, what about if you're doing golf? It's golf. Can you put? It's in golf category on strap. Yeah, Yeah, obviously it's golf.

\[26:55\] OK. And you reckon you're going to beat me a golf? I can't wait for this. I cannot wait for this. All right back to Strava. We got anything more from the the back end data of the the greatest app on the planet? Let me let me have a quick scan. We talked about the Gen Z. Still waiting for it to go public, by the way. Still waiting for this public RPO of Strava to take place. Here's a good one because this this one I think is Benita talked about it in our marathon.

\[27:25\] The series. What do you do now I've entered for the Gold Coast Marathon? If again, if anybody has just jumped on and they and they've signed up for the marathon and they know someone who's signed up for the marathon, go back. I think it's two weeks ago now. Bonita Willis, the one of the greatest distance athlete this country's ever produced Lace Up running coach, sat down and walked us through what the next 30 weeks, how you can break it down to to to not burn out from a focus perspective, not burn out from a training perspective, and how to break it up so that you've still got some events to target as you lead into the Gold Coast Marathon.

\[27:56\] Yeah, So Benita was saying that she has older, some older athletes who might only run 2 three times a week but still get to the marathon and can and run on the day. She manages that with cross training. So the stat that come from Strava, it turns out multi sport Strava users are the most likely to be consistent throughout the recording for the year. So I'm reading this as they're four times more likely to have recorded a streak, an exercise

\[28:28\] streak, and now as an asterisk here, a streak equals users who recorded at least one activity per week. So people who do cross training or multi sport are four times as likely to have their streak then someone who just runs. Is a strict. Runner or a single sporter. A single sporter, let's call it because I can't talk about it, doesn't actually say where they're trying. I'm currently, FYI, on a 31 week streak.

\[28:59\] Congratulations. Thank you. That makes sense to me because I think somebody who's taking that measured approach to their training is more inclined to keep data. Oh, so you think it's the personality type versus the actual individual? I think if you're if you're cross training like that, you're aware that your body has. You're a triathlete. Well, you might be a triathlete. Well, you might be a triathlete who are data driven people, if we just take a look at all your Diaries up there. But also, you've acknowledged

\[29:30\] that the way you get the best out of your body is to take a structured approach with multiple things, not just burning yourself into the ground, which would suggest to me a mentality of information being valuable and data being important using travel I'm. Probably not going to like where this goes, but taking that multi sport triathletes and we talked about this personality. He talked about my Diaries and that the other multi sport trending sport at. The moment. Hyrox, Yep, there's

\[30:01\] similarities here. This similar type of this similar type of personality and just a different driven. You're just trying to get me in trouble. You're just trying to get me to say something that's going to You just want a reel. You just want to clip. I mean, I haven't done a reel for a long time, so yeah, give me a reel. Do you know what the BI the glaring difference between the multi sport athlete that is a triathlete? Yep. And the multi sport athlete. That is a hybrid racer racer.

\[30:32\] You don't care about how you look as much, but you both wear lycra as much. You don't care as much about how you appear. That's not, I don't really believe all that there is. We talked about the data around Vanity and Jim. Hey, we're it's not our data, OK? It's not our data. Inherently, and I don't have a problem with this again, but look, you look at the bodies that run around. Oh, hey. I'm just jealous at the. Moment you look at the bodies that run around.

\[31:03\] Oh be honest, you look at the bodies around. If you said to me, hey Liam, do you want to go watch noose the bodies that race around Noosa or do you want to go watch the bodies that race around High Rocks? Give me the Hyrox. If you had to go, if you're if you're a young single and you got to go, pick up. Amanda High rocks. You go into Hyrox, Amanda. Well, Noosa, Noosa, the Noosa Surf Club, probably half a chance, but I'm still yeah, it's a it's a lifestyle thing. It's there's nothing wrong with either. It's just the realities like this run club boom is you talk

\[31:33\] about, you know, it's all driven by that notion of wanting to be around like minded fit. People and it's all good it's all it's all we love it we love it all even though we make fun of a lot of it We we love it all love to be born. Here's one for it and then then those listening along. You can have a guess at this along with Liam so the most intimidating sports to try so they they why are you having a juggling? Why what? What was the one ballroom dancing a a marathon? Yeah, Oh yeah, God, most intimidating sport to try.

\[32:06\] While you're thinking this is the headline for it is expensive equipment, high speed or intensity cultures heavy on specialised knowledge and inside jokes? All possible reasons that people surveyed said the following sports present a high barrier to entry. Road cycling. Not Rd Cycling, but coming in at #2 is mountain bike mountain slashing gravel. Gravel. OK. Cycling, that's where. OK. Why did you say that? Why cycling?

\[32:39\] I think it's very clicky. I think it's probably hard. If you were a newbie trying to find a group to ride with, I think it would be hard to find. Yeah, right. Barred entry. Barred entry. A lot easier to go running, find a run group. Much easier bikes are expensive, yeah. Umm, And there's a fear factor for a lot of people. If you're not comfortable riding on the roads, that's a scary thing to go and do if you've never done it before. There were the three reasons that popped the mind, umm, what other sports present those financial hurdles?

\[33:09\] Because I think that's probably a massive thing for people, right? Now financial, but I think culture is a. Triathlon. No triathlon is not in there. Culture is heavy on specialised knowledge and inside jokes is probably a good guide. Umm, so expensive high speed. So like there's some type of intensity and high speed meaning there's some type of like you might be a bit scared to try it as well. Inside jokes or possible reasons #1 ski and snowboard snow.

\[33:40\] Oh, yeah. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Barry to entry. Barry to entry. Snow. Yeah. For most of us, yeah. You're are you? You're gonna go skiing, but you're gonna now you're going snowboarding. Next week, right? Yeah, I'm gonna be snow. Have you used snowboard before? I haven't snowboarded for probably 10 years, but I've done I've done quite. A bit of it, yeah. Can you jump? Yep. All right. Yep. How many times have you been? Well, we grew up. We probably went to the snow maybe half a dozen times as we were growing up. Kids. Mount Buller, I did. And then when I was living in

\[34:13\] Europe, yeah, probably did through 4 ski trips around there. I want proof everyone Heckle Liam for videos. All right, you want video? I want jumping, jumping, yeah, you, you, but like how big? How big I'm going to get the integrity unit on here If you I I'm I'm happy with like there's gonna a foot clearing a foot clearance off the. Ground landed. You're gonna be there's a new there's a new Instagram account called We Call Bullshit on Everything. Liam Flanagan coming out soon. Yeah #3.

\[34:45\] OK, so you got mountain biking and gravel at 2\. You've got snowboarding and skiing at 1:00\. I'm going. To give you a hint. Yeah, go on. Why is Hyrox flying and where are people moving from? CrossFit, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. It's just going there's going to be an attrition somewhere and the High Rocks is much more accessible than. Well, it's not about no, it's not about them moving from it. I'm just. People aren't trying it. Think the specialised Yeah culture well. Because again, if you're not aware the difference or the key element of Hyrox from those

\[35:16\] activities is that they're non technical movements. So CrossFit has a lot more technical lifts compared to that that CrossFit offers. Yeah, OK. So the. Exact stat on the vanity around Gen Z versus Gen X Lifting weights 61% more Gen Z 61% is more Gen Z than gens X. Say they lift for aesthetics. There you go. I don't mind that. I don't, I, you know what I would say, here's a made up stat

\[35:47\] that I'm coming off the back of that Gen Z's more honest. Gen Z's more honest about what the why they're doing stuff. I think, I think at the heart of it, if you know, there's a, there's a more openness, there's a, there's a, there's a more of a fearlessness about why that generation is doing stuff they want to look good. That's OK. It's not a bad thing. I don't think it should be the main motivator, but it's not a bad thing. Hey, Speaking of lifting weights, I'd set a new PB bench

\[36:18\] press later. That's. Not going to help you run the Miler. No, I know, but I just want to tell you what was it one O 3? Just a subtle brag. Subtle brag? Humble brag what? Can you squat 100? Do you squat flat footed? No, but I. I checked this the other day because you, you, you, you called me out and I asked Wade at momentum. I said, I said Courtney criticised me. He's like, it makes no difference. It's that's just flexibility. Doesn't it's not strength, it's

\[36:48\] flexibility in your calves. And and he said because he said if you go and put long lifting shoes. Yeah, they've got does the same thing, he'll lift in them, does the same thing. Depends on the the angle. I don't have a 45°. 45° heel lift. Courtney, I'm going to ask my expert. And I'll come back on that, and then I'll bring my expert. My expert. My expert can beg up your expert. Have you seen Wade? He's massive. Yeah, no, you're right. Bench press not going to help me run the Miler.

\[37:19\] OK. Yeah, that's, I mean, there's a little bit of stuff. I like that. Courtney, I reckon. Let's leave it there. Hey, segment idea for 2026\. Yep. I would like you if you'll agree to it. Not every week, because I think that's unreasonable, but I would like to introduce the idea that at this on the first episode of every month or maybe the last episode of every month, I think we bring in Courtney's run session or give it a try. Is this off the back of? Ando, is this off the back of

\[37:49\] Ando? The other day on one of the episodes you threw out a session you did with, I think it was with Gold Coast Runco down in the Spit. Yes, yes, yes. A 4 minute on, one minute off, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off by 4\. How many times you went through it? 4 Yep, 20\. So it's a 24 minute set. Yep, 24 minute set. Now Ando Anderson, who for people that have visited Wild Earth in Burley might know him. He's a he's just a good runner. He gave it a crack and he wrote us a message back and said, Courtney, 4 minute on, one

\[38:21\] minute off, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off. Wow, what a session. Did it this morning. Thanks for sharing. Maybe share it more often, please. So I think if someone like Anderson is getting something out of you sharing a session, I think you should do more of it. Cool, because it's especially when it's something so simple. Well, here we go. I'll give a off the back of that. Well, I can't really take. I mean I shared someone. Else's session I get that. Which I'll always do, but I'll tell you where I believe that session came from.

\[38:55\] Oh, OK. So the great thing with running before I share where that came from, the great thing I went out running at the Spit, I missed, I was away yesterday in Sydney. So I missed, I missed Tuesday this week. I've missed all my run. I've missed my run and social running this week. You know, if I'm feeling a bit off, but I went out of, I went down to our normal Spit run and just did a just gonna do 20 minutes, give or take myself, run a little bit quicker. And the old Mona that we talk about a lot, I'm like, I just can't be bothered doing the same old Mona. So I was like, so I modified the

\[39:26\] Mona, which is another term for his session. The modified Mona modified, but I just modified it in the way I wanted to run. So like I ran through a few 3 minutes up front, then I went into the 90 seconds. So I thought I'll just make it a bit longer, run a little bit easier instead of splitting it at halfway and trying to make it back. I didn't want to put that pressure on myself, so I actually ran out just till 15 minutes and then just cruised back. So the goals of me doing that was one I didn't split it halfway so that I forced myself to be on.

\[39:58\] Have I run back the same time? I just didn't want that pressure. I didn't want to have to overrun. And the second part of it is I actually purposely went and did the session longer so that I I had to say to myself, OK, just let's just cruise through this. I'm not gonna not gonna try and compare to anything else because I've got all these comparisons up there as to where I'm running. So that was the purpose of me running Mona. So there's always a way to skew a session where this 4 minute 14 minutes on, one minute off 3030 come from, I actually believe. It's come from, and I'm going to

\[40:29\] assume it might be Nick Bideau in the beginning and I'm sure he's just taken it from someone else and modified it himself. But it's 1 Craig Mottram used to do and I got it off hearing that Craig and probably Collis Birmingham as well. So let me think what because I used to do this along Tallebudgera Drive when I was running my quickest at 10 KS in triathlon because it is a nice flat Rd that goes along the Creek and it's got 500 metre markers which is better.

\[41:01\] So not 400 metre markers. It's got it's AK marked out with a 500 in the middle. The session was run 1K or three minutes if you're not doing it on AK Rep, but I was doing it on the K Rep. SO1K at your best pace. Like hold good pace, sure. 30 seconds rest Yep. And then be able to run. Then you run 500 metres flat out. Flat out being. Meaning faster than faster than, so the one.

\[41:32\] Faster than your 1K Rep. The 1K Rep is controlled fast but fast. Maybe you know, might be like 5K pay 5K race pace. Yep. As I think Ando actually asked what's some 5K race sessions? 5K race pace on the way down, OK. 30 seconds 30\. Seconds as best place, best pace, best pace time the 500\. 500 Jump back to the start. 500 recovery. 500 Recovery. Recovery. More recovery than flowed as I would do it, but I believe they did it off a time base.

\[42:03\] So they might, they might have done like if we start again 2 minutes at 2 minutes or whatever. It was. I guess you need to make it back. So it's almost a 2K circuit. 1K5K pace. Yep. 32nd recovery not moving. I'm assuming stationary. Stationary. Just recover. 500 flat pace. Yep, top top end speed 500 job float with a time goal to get back to the start. How many reps? 4 four. OK. Now, four or five if you're probably more, yeah, depending. I'd say 4.

\[42:33\] You know it's good. I like that. So that one there, it's actually starting and it's getting like a little bit more into that that 500 metres brings in a lot more lactate, but it's also been giving you a lot more recovery. But it's the same theory of then you've got to go back into that race pace. Yep, and hold the session out. OK, so we there also would do that on and I in years, I would then take that onto the treadmill and be able to go 3 minutes on at the same pace, 30 hop off the treadmill, 32nd rest

\[43:04\] and then I'd do a minute, minute. Yeah, I think a minute that's just best pace I could hold on the treadmill. Yeah, cool. And then jog, go back through it so you can just break, you know, there's always. If you like that. If you ever hear a good session, don't think you've got to do the session exactly as it's the actual principle behind the session that matters. Yeah. That's really. So there's another one, but we'll share some more next year. Love what you just explained and as somebody still relatively inexperienced with running, what

\[43:34\] you just said then has just opened my mind because I find that when I see a session and get told a session, given a session, it's it's dogmatic. It's you must do this session. There is no wicked room. But I like the idea that, and yeah, we should explore this more next year. And I love the idea that you can introduce people some to some different sessions with that scope of adjust as needed. Yeah, adjust to still achieve the goal. And then on the complete other end of the spectrum, I know

\[44:05\] around, I think it's a few days before New Year's this year, Gold Coast Runco, we're going to do 25, four hundreds. Oh, when's that on the? I believe it's on the 2 minutes. Much day is it after New Year's? No, before New Year's issue, it's in that little gap. I think it might be the 27th. Oh. See. I'm not. See, I would be, I'd do it, but I'm not going to be back. Yeah. And. I mean, that's where everyone comes out, but that's a completely different that's all about pacing over time. And there's there's so many different ways to skin the cat and each one has different

\[44:36\] purposes, but we'll share more than. All right, quickly, can I give you UTA Miler update? Yeah, firstly, listen for the kids at home, don't text and run. I almost and I kid you not, knocked myself out cold yesterday. I was going for just AI had time to just get a lot. I had to go and host the sanctuary, Gove Christmas carols actually, and I was just going for I just wanted to get a lot running on the way. And as I was probably three guys

\[45:07\] into this run, I thought I just better check what time I wasn't overly organised for these carols. I'm, I better just check what time I'm meant to be there? And I started sending a text as I was just trotting along and I saw, I saw the tree because there was a woman ahead of me with a pram. And I'm like, I don't want to just, I don't want to interrupt her. So I was going to cut onto the road off the footpath and I saw the tree and I'm like, great tree, run past the tree onto the road, keep going. What I didn't see was the knot

\[45:42\] that was sticking out of the tree. I hit myself in the side of the head so hard. I was running at about four 3440 pace it. Did you go down? I wobbled. I wobbled and it was immovable, like this thing did not budget 1 little bit and I had to I stopped, paused, paused the garment. But I stopped for a moment and went, am I concussed? Genuinely.

\[46:12\] Had to have a It's like someone got to give you a hit. Have I just hit in the temple? Have I just concussed myself? I hadn't. I was OK, but listen, don't text and run. That was lesson 1\. Did you? What do they pay you for? Pay you like at the Sanctuary Cove? Did they just give you a boat? No, I wish mate, I was a bit turned around on Sanctuary Cove because I've always been a Sanctuary Cove. Have you never been there? No. I've been there a little bit, but I was up there for the cows and I was like actually you know what, I could probably quite comfortably sit on one of the boats out there. It looked very nice running.

\[46:44\] Mila had a great run up in Nerang the other week. And again to all the people that there have been so many people that have reached out to me about the Milo and stuff and I am going to get in touch. Very busy time of year at the moment, but it's slowing down. It went out in the rank, the 17 K loop that you know. Yep, firstly. All fire Rd All. Fire Rd. I didn't get into the singles at all all. Fire Rd. Interestingly, I didn't have my garment on with me. I just ran with Strava off the

\[47:14\] phone. Measured it at an 18K run. I could say. It added an extra K on to a a loop that I've done multiple times and I know is a 17.2K loop integrity unit. Integrity unit or just goes to show if if you're running the map, if you're running in a marathon, yeah, with your phone. Strava in it, Strava in it, Strava in it. But interestingly, I didn't pay B the time I was still under an hour 50 for which for me is about right. I think my my PBI think I've

\[47:46\] gone under an hour 45 for that loop once. But interestingly, because I've been doing a lot of the focusing in on the gym stuff with the legs, it was the furthest I'd ever got in on that run without a power hike. Because if you're anybody that knows that it's a lot of up to start that first kind of 6K or first 4K. But hang on. Is a lot of up you're going I turned in you go anti I go out the road and then I turn anti clockwise now that it means I go I descend to a riverbed but

\[48:20\] previously I've never gotten to that Creek which is where you almost got lost we almost lost Courtney Atkinson to that Creek when it was heavy rains that time but I'd never previously reached that Creek before without a walk segment OK and I and I did and now obviously I slowed up in some other points when I got into the hiking mode but I also put down I went out at a very hot time of day I was in the middle of the heat I was a bad day to. Run. I don't know how you're going to do at the moment in summer when you're working every morning. It's tough, but I, I really

\[48:51\] enjoyed the run using the gels along the way, just running with the 2 bottles of water. And then as I was coming down and finishing steaming hot and I looked at the number, I'm like, OK, it says I've done, it says I've done 18, I know I've done 17K and I've climbed a little over 600 metres of elevation. And then I did the maths. I basically need to do that nine more times, easy for the UTA model.

\[49:22\] So I was sitting there thinking, could you go back out and do what you did nine more times? Could you have gone done it once? Honestly, Courtney, that's where I got to. I reckon I could get through that one more time. It was. It was a steamy, hot day that I went and did. It when you said to me, because you what? I was out riding, Yeah. And I was, can't say where I was riding. No, I'm under a confidentiality clause, but literally. But I was riding in a place and

\[49:53\] it was, I reckon it was about 34° out there, right. And when you said do you want to come to the rank for a run, I felt like saying to you, but I can't. But I wouldn't want to and nor. Should you No, is what you should have said to me. So anyway, look the the the training update for the UTA Miler May next year. I'm the thing I'm proud of right now is I'm being very consistent with trail. I'm really making a commitment to making sure that I'm there's a big trail run in there once a week at the moment, which is good.

\[50:23\] I'm not getting carried away and being out there all the time. I'm not crazy with kays and loading at the moment, but I am making that commitment to be out in the trails once a week for a decent hit out. So what's the plan when you're in Japan? Because there's everyone, there's going to be others out there going away for holidays. They probably to Japan, half of Australia seem like they're going there. I'm taking, so I'm taking running gear with me to Japan. I'm taking. Do you have a plan? I don't have a plan as yet because there's this guy I know who actually do a podcast with

\[50:55\] him and he said he would send me some information about some trails and he hasn't so. No, but I don't mean the specific trails. I mean, do you like, do you go there with I'll just fit in and run where I can eat or try and run every day or. Family holiday, get up early family holiday. The plan is to fit in runs where I can. Early mornings will be my friend, but I'm just going to plan in the the nature of the holiday with the people we're travelling with and my family and everything. It's it's. It would be naive to think I can lock in. How do you go? You want to get out for an early

\[51:27\] run on holiday, but I'm assuming you're staying in like tiny, tiny hotels or whatever. Yeah. So you're up. How do you go with the family then? Well, I've already, I've already trained for it because my family have already trained for it because in our house here on the Goldie, we've only got air conditioning in our bedroom. So at the moment when it's really hot, the kids are on the mattress on the floor in our bedroom. My alarm goes off at 3:30 every morning. Do they all wake up? They don't wake up. They're all trained for it. So they all stay asleep and then like crab walk through like a minefield trying not to step on anybody as I make for the door.

\[51:59\] So I'm already trained for this. So no hard and fast plan for Japan. But the training will continue. The case will keep going. I'm feeling I'm still got that feeling in the pit of my stomach nerves, especially as time ticks by like we're five months out now. We were six months when I signed up, now we're five months out. We're getting close. But the other update I've got for everybody is I have committed to my qualifying race. I am signed up for the Noosa Ultra Trail 50 kilometre race in

\[52:29\] March. I have made the necessary cheques and balances that should I finish that race, that qualification will be accepted. There you go from UTA so. Thanks for everyone who gave suggestions. Yeah, and look, to everybody that was suggesting Tarawera, New Zealand, there were some overseas races, people I would love to logistically really difficult for me to just jump on a plane overseas somewhere for a race just because of it's, you know, I will. You will never hear me complain about the holidays I get working in radio, but the thing about

\[53:02\] radio holidays is you get them when you get them. When you're on air, you're on air. When you're on it, when you're when you are on air and in radio in ratings time, you are on air in ratings time. You can't just jump a holiday when you feel like it. So sadly not able to. I'd love to. They're still on my bucket list. I want to go overseas and do some more overseas races at some point, but Noosa Ultra 50K will be the race that I'll be qualifying through now. This will be the last. Time we have you in the room. Yes, for the year. The year. At least before Christmas, before Christy. Do you do? You have a favourite, not a

\[53:35\] favourite thing we've done this year, but how can is there something you can recall that we've covered in the podcast or anything that just really stands out as a highlight besides Jelly Roll? Well, Jelly Roll was surreal, My favourite genuinely from a running perspective thing. Oh God, there's so many things being on the finish line for the Gold Coast Marathon. Truly a professional highlight for me and something that I'm really excited about continuing and that came about through the podcast. Yes, kunanyi. Yes.

\[54:06\] That experience with Salomon, incredible. I was looking back through photos of kunanyi the other day. That whole race day experience was so brilliant. I would just, if anybody's looking for a reason to get down to Hobart, kunanyi, make that your reason. It's such a fantastic event. What about on the podcast? Well. Talking on the podcast, I still think one of the great revelations I've I've loved unpacking your triathlon career. I love it when we find threads

\[54:36\] to pull out from your professional career. I still think one of the great revelations that we had on the podcast and it was early was when you discussed the the problem in that I think probably still there and running about confusing distance with our time time. Confusing while training, by the way, while. Training, yeah, while training, confusing the amount of kilometres you're running versus the time on your feet. And I'm learning that heading into I've got a mile a race

\[55:06\] coming up, right, The distance is less important than the time. Like I'm going to have days where I'm planning on big hour, like, you know, 5-6 hour days out in Nerang and wherever else to get that time on feet. If I'm not averaging however many KS an hour, that's not the important part. The important part in my mind is going to be duration because that's what's going to be the biggest battle for me in this model thing. So when you drop that little nugget of knowledge way back, maybe beginning of the year,

\[55:38\] January, I loved that it felt like such an unlocking moment too, for the sort of stuff we wanted to talk about for the dynamic of this podcast because it was a little bit of running chat. Suddenly you're all the years of expertise and all the years of high performance that you had, opening the door to this very everyday type running dilemma. Yep, that was. I loved it. I loved that moment. It was very cool, very cool. What about you? Well, you, you gave a non podcast. You know, one of the one things

\[56:08\] I really remember is when you first interviewed Andy Buchanan down on the beach and I just sat back. I just turned up with a camera and literally sat at the back of the crowd. And just weekend in the Golden Marathon. It was Gold Coast Marathon, Yeah. So I just sat back with a long lens and just so rawly filmed it. But it kind of that opened my eyes up to 1, how bloody good you are at your job day, day to day, outside of what we talk about here. But two, just like how much

\[56:39\] people love to hear information about running, but it's not about they didn't want to hear from Andy about how quick he can run. It was about all those little, like you said, prototypes and you know, so the other. So if you actually said my highlight for the year, it's Andy and Benita combined about and Michael Shelley. I was about to say all. Talking about. The Michael Shelley on the bus. Theory on the bus theory, you know, watch Relaxing in the Crowd and how everyone

\[57:11\] approached their marathon at that elite level, how that could then like, I suppose, transcend, no matter what level you're running at, it's all the same thing. If you do it well, it's going to make you have a great day out. And another Michael Shelleyism, the last words of advice his coach gave him on the line of his first marathon. Marathon, it's going to hurt. I still tell that I like I love that that has I couldn't remember that one sunk into my brain that the like, I remember asking, what did your coach say

\[57:42\] to you on the start line before your first marathon? It's a marathon. It's going to hurt. And I was just like, that's so universal. Yeah. That's not because Michael Shelley is a Commonwealth Olympic level marathon runner. It's because he was a person about to try and run 42 KS. Yeah, that is universal. Yeah. Undeniable. Yeah. It's a marathon that's gonna hurt. Yeah. Alex Yee would have felt that when he ran 2:06\. Didn't look like it in the sweets, but I'm sure he did. Yeah. So they've been some pretty, I mean they were overall, I don't have a particular like moment like you said. But then the other thing for you, you more personally is and

\[58:16\] you take us there quite often. It's just the people love. I just keep getting feedback on. There's a lot of running podcasts out there. Yep. I talk a lot of running, which is the purpose, sure. But getting all of that, just the variety of what we get to, it's still all based around running, but just the variety of conversations we have have been I think the audience highlight and we keep getting asked for it and we're going to continue to bring it. We've got some. There's something you mentioned, we were disclosed business lunch stuff the other day. This is highly confidential

\[58:46\] Christmas business business. But was it on the stone and wood beer or the IT was in? Between the stone and wood and the 4X, you mentioned the certain event that might be happening next year that maybe we try and do some stuff around. I've forgotten that already. OK, great. A good thing I remember things. No, I look again, I think I love the way you and I talk about running. I love the way you and I talk about sport. And I'll just can I? The other thing that it was negligent to me not to mention in terms of favourite things of the year, the the in the beginning family, the podcast,

\[59:18\] the listeners, the people that listen to this thing that we actually do this for the engagement you have given us on this podcast, the comments, the feedback, the questions. If if none of those who come in, we probably aren't doing this anymore. You and I are probably just back to having our chats and running around the trails in the yeah. We'll go back to the Bush. We'd go back, we would, but the level of engagement that's come through has told you and I that there's some value to the conversations we're having. That's why we keep doing it. That's why we'll be back next year and hopefully as an award winning podcast next year.

\[59:49\] We got a RSVP to that awards night and at the SCG. Did you get? Did you get that email? You're hanging. You're hanging your hat on this one. Aren't you? Look, hey, I want a trophy. I want us to need a look. You've got awards, Courtney. I don't have any Olympic blazes. Or you've got some. I need podcast awards. Podcast awards, all right, well, Merry Christmas, Merry. Christmas, Have a safe and happy Christmas. If you're out on the roads doing any exercising, if you're going to have a few drinks, make sure you stay hydrated, make sure you rest appropriately and please stay safe.

\[01:00:21\] We know what a dangerous time of year it can be and about on the roads and all the rest of it. And what we want most of all is for everybody to be back with us in 2026, safe and sound and ready to RIP into another great year running. Yep. Thanks for the great year, we'll see ya.