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# EP48 - FROM FASHION FLOORS TO MARATHON FEVER
- URL: https://www.inthebeginningpodcast.com/ep48-from-fashion-floors-to-marathon-fever/
- Published: 2025-08-22T06:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2026-08-20T10:50:02.000Z
- Description: Courtney Atkinson and Liam Flanagan on Strava culture, nutrition, Gold Coast Marathon — recorded on the Gold Coast.
- Author: Courtney Atkinson
- Tags: Episodes, Main Feed, Strava, Sports Science, Gold Coast Marathon, Olympics, #Import 2026-07-28 20:58

*Courtney Atkinson and Liam Flanagan on Strava culture, nutrition, Gold Coast Marathon — recorded on the Gold Coast.*

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\[00:00\] In the beginning, episode 48, and Courtney — we need to talk about the fact that this little podcast is on its way to its first-ever million-view reel. We say it's a little bigger podcast. This Hyrox Hybrid Rockstar reel from last week — for those that haven't seen it, and I don't know who hasn't seen it, because more people have seen that reel than have ever listened to the podcast. I think that's definitely true. I have to pull the curtain back for everybody. You and I, we're on the phone

\[00:30\] after last weekend, after the episode dropped, and you posted the reel on our Instagram page and you said, what about the reel? And I hadn't paid attention. I said, what do you mean? And you said it has blown up so much. So the Trail Kings boys messaged me about it going viral. I'm like, what are you guys all talking about? And then I jumped on and had a look at the numbers. Us reacting to Hyrox is more interesting than us talking. That's not a good thing, Liam, that you're bringing

\[01:00\] attention to here. Look, it's gone nuts. I do want to talk about a couple of things because this reel has gone absolutely bananas. It's the biggest thing we've ever done — quickly, lots of fun. I think most people are taking this in the right tone. Ryan Fernance commented on the reel and Ryan said, I know we're all for banter and it's tongue-in-cheek, but what I'm noticing on social media these days is a lot of fitness-gatekeeping channels and pages set up to make fun of people for their training styles and styles of exercise.

\[01:30\] At the end of the day, it should be about celebrating people doing something challenging and healthy. Ryan, I agree. We weren't really poking fun at Hyrox, and from what I gather from other comments that's actually not true — the Hybrid Rockstar thing, alright, it's fake news, it's not true. More people have suggested the actual origin of the name Hyrox is about the founder who started it, but anyway, the point is — do we even know what's true? Well, here's another team, Undersourced Sports

\[02:02\] Junkie, commented on the reel. They said it used to be called Q-Rox when it was invented in Hamburg back in 2017, but they had issues with the name and renamed it. The song 'Rockstar' from Post Malone was huge and used to play everywhere they went, so it was a combination of that — meaning being high on adrenaline and endorphins while rocking the challenge. I've coached Hyrox classes since the start, I've never seen a sport embrace so many people. But Tim's saying it's not actually Hybrid Rockstar, it's 'hype' combined with a Post Malone song. So I think regardless of where

\[02:33\] the name comes from, we were just having a bit of fun. We're not trying to gatekeep fitness here. In full transparency, we were having fun at your expense, so I'm interested in it. No, yeah, because if anyone should be offended by this, it should be me, not yourself. And you know what? I did take offence, Court. No, I took no offence. And here's the other thing — the itch is still there for me. Yeah, the Hyrox itch is very much still there. I was digging down into some of the exercises that the Hyrox athletes do in between the

\[03:06\] runs. I think this itch gets scratched in 2026\. I think I'm going to do it. Yeah, go for it. Go for it. Anyway, isn't it ironic though that the controversy — not so much negative, but the controversy and things like that — is what works? That annoys me, the fact that that gets more attention than us talking about some of the best runners in Australia, best runners in the world, telling you how to run a marathon.

\[03:37\] And that's what interests people. Yeah. Hey, the horse has bolted, too late, too late to try and wind that stuff back. Good news though — as people are listening this week, we're going to go live from Icebergs with AG1 on Friday. This is really exciting, really exciting. So I went down there and checked out the place, a little site check. Hopefully it's sunny because Sydney was awful this week, it was pissing down. The East Coast

\[04:10\] of Australia's absolutely copped it this week. Shout out to everybody who's still got out there and got their running done during the conditions. But yes, Friday morning, for those of you in Sydney — some of you may have registered, if you're a listener of the podcast and you've registered and you're going to be down there for the shakeout run ahead of the Sydney Marathon, and you're going to be there for the live broadcast of the podcast with Andy Buchanan — come up and say hi. Make sure you come and say g'day, come and grab a photo, tell us a bit about your running story. I am looking forward to

\[04:41\] meeting more people from the podcast listenership as we go. And I understand most people can't be there because there's only a limited number of seats at this thing. So we did want to give an opportunity for those people who can't be there but might have a question they want to ask Andy Buchanan, the Australian marathon record holder. So if you've got a question you want us to put to Andy, send us a message, DM us, and we'll pick a few of them — we're probably not going to be able to ask them all, we can't.

\[05:12\] We'll ask as many as we can, because we'll be doing the podcast live on the Friday, and then obviously that will be next Saturday's episode for those of you who can't be there — we'll be dropping that episode after we go live. Yep, you'll hear about it. Cool, cool, cool. Hey, here's a bit of audio, we've talked about this — this came in from Ben Randall, and he said you talked about Breaking4 and had a bit of discussion on this, so let's see how this stacks up against Breaking4\. Okay, I've got a question.

\[05:44\] Why would anyone want to run 100 kilometres in under six hours? There's about three reasons. The competitor in me wants to say, oh, I was the first one to break six hours on 100K, I am a current world record holder on 100 kilometres, maybe it's my last shot. All right, so we won't go through the whole thing because

\[06:14\] it's just people talking and you don't know who they are. But it's a — this is Adidas. Yep, it's called Chasing 100\. Now, this is going to drop on the 26th of August, so it's this week. I hadn't heard a lot about it — had you seen this? I have seen it. What are your thoughts on it? I want to get your reaction first, 'cause I've got a very strong opinion on this. Oh okay, what do you think about this, what Adidas is doing? Well, let's just quickly go through

\[06:45\] what it is. It's called Chasing 100\. Adidas is going to go big, they're going to chase a world record attempt over 100 kilometres. The current world record is 6 hours and 5 minutes, and just to put that in perspective, that's 3:39 pace, set in 2023 — so not that long ago. So they're going to do it. Sounds like the rumours are they're going to do it at their headquarters in Germany, there's not a lot of information — there's going to be 5 athletes lining up, but it doesn't sound

\[07:17\] like they've actually told you who the five athletes are. One will be Sorokin himself, the current world record holder. Now, I don't know a lot about this 100K stuff, but — Aleksandr Sorokin, current world record holder — if you want to have a look at his Strava, it's impressive. Go and check out his Strava, there are some big flexes on there. He's done a morning run of 305K at 4:43 pace, obviously running loops training for something, but he will be

\[07:48\] you know, he's the guy who's broken all these records at this pace because he's in there. Joe Fukuda from Japan — now he won the Red Bull Wings for Life World Run this year, ran 71K in that, but he's obviously — so these are very specific 100K road runners, that's what they're targeting. A new shoe we're expecting to drop out of this too, so that's the question, what shoe it is. But other than that, there's not a lot of

\[08:20\] information — which is interesting, because when you think of Nike and how they went about Breaking4 and the two-hour marathon and everything, it was all pre-loaded hype. Yep, this sounds like it's going to be on-the-day and post-loaded. What are your thoughts? I hate it. Why? It's too far, okay, it goes for too long, it's too anonymous as far as the athletes go. And it's too late — Nike owns this corner. I think Nike, despite —

\[08:53\] and you know, I've talked about this away from the microphones, the fact that — I want to get to the uncomfortableness you would have felt surrounded by sports-style people, the Salomon thing, we'll get to that a bit later on — Courtney was at an event I wasn't at, but I can almost taste how uncomfortable Courtney would have felt surrounded by these people at that event. We'll get to it, Court. Nike owns this idea of targeting a race with a time in mind to

\[09:25\] break it. I feel like that's a gimmick Nike's got now. Nike's letting themselves down — Nike, the world leader, the brand leader, industry leader, whatever, they are falling behind other brands when it comes to other things like street style, where Salomon's killing it. Nike's falling off there and trying to pick up. They still own this concept though, I don't think anybody else can. You don't think they should have tried? I don't think they should have played in this area, I think they should have just stayed in — found another area to play in.

\[09:57\] Adidas, come up with something else rather than jump into the Nike pool of Breaking, with, as I said, a distance that's too far for the average person to comprehend. It's six hours — six hours, people. Courtney, our most successful reel went for about 20 seconds. This notion of length, of the length of time again — and you just mentioned all those athletes there, I've never heard of them. Yep. And again, that's not me judging these athletes, it's not me saying they're

\[10:29\] not worthy of more recognition, but if you're a mainstream brand like Adidas — yeah, they're definitely — you're inviting people with something that's going to go for a long time, hard to hold attention spans with a bunch of people most of us have never heard of. They're definitely not first to market with the idea, let's just say that. However, there is a certain — now it might not be mainstream and it might not be as big a skew as track running and all that, but there will be a certain

\[10:59\] audience that absolutely will appreciate it. And we sometimes have people around us — like we cover some ultra events — and they say thank you, because they don't get a lot of attention. I think this is an area where they're probably going, okay, this is more niche, but there's still a lot of people out there around the world who look at this and go, we're going to be the ones to support this 100K. People still drink Pepsi. So if they're sticking to a market, right, the question is —

\[11:30\] how would you consume it? Would you watch it? You just said you're not really — no, I won't watch this, only because I don't have six hours of my life. You'll wait for the reel. I will, I'll wait for them to turn it into a reel. How do you communicate the pain and torture of a 100K race and breaking a certain time barrier? You know, look, again, this is very much the amateur jogger's reaction to this — it's impressive, I don't want to take anything

\[12:00\] away from these athletes, what they're setting out to embark on is nuts. I just think Adidas, for the brand they are, could have found something a bit stickier. Yeah, well, sticky — let's move to Nike ahead of the Sydney Marathon, they ran a Strava — sorry, just quickly, can I give Adidas some credit ahead of the Sydney Marathon? The shoe-dip service they're offering — oh yes, I want — if I've knocked you down over that, I want to pump you up now. That shoe-dip service they're offering ahead of the

\[12:32\] Sydney Marathon, I want them — that looks amazing, for those who haven't seen it. They're offering — what are they, the Evo SLs? Evo SL — they're offering people the opportunity to basically come and customise their Evo SL shoes ahead of the Sydney Marathon with a dip service, kind of like how you used to tie-dye your T-shirts. Yeah, there's buckets, it looks like a laundromat-type setup where people can come in and essentially dunk their shoes in the colourways they choose, they'll get them blow-dried there and then, and you walk out of there with a one-of-one.

\[13:03\] Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is the SL, but — that's good, keep that, but this customising-your-shoes-pre-race, I love it. It's up there with the one we had where — who was it, Gymshark — were doing the stitching on after the marathon. Yeah, get you customised, personalisation, it's similar to what we talked about with the race medals and the Tiffany necklaces and all that — if the races and the partners can find ways to make that experience ultra-personal, yeah, you'll keep people running at

\[13:34\] your events forever. Agreed. Yeah, good one. Winner, winner, winner, winner — sorry. Nice, yeah, we're just talking about things going on with Nike. So they did the 1K Sydney Strava segments challenge with the winning — so what I understand is, be one of the first 170 runners to finish the four segments around Sydney, check in at the Sydney Swans HQ by 6:00pm on August the 30th. I thought this was already over — must be still going.

\[14:04\] Must be — I swore this had finished while I was in Sydney. Still going? Did you go and give it a crack? No, I didn't, I think I actually ran one of the segments though, along the waterfront. So where's the four segments? You get to go and run with Kipchoge — that's the carrot. 100%, I think so. Nike has teamed up with Strava to create a segment challenge, and this is what we've talked about — we've long forecast the fact that

\[14:37\] Strava, with the purchase of Runna, would start to find really exciting and creative ways to partner with brands and events and the rest of it to create these moments and build on this running momentum. And here's another example of this, partnering with a brand like Nike to give people the opportunity to run with Kipchoge and Sifan Hassan — unbelievable, that's money-can't-buy stuff. So they dropped the one-kilometre segments in the Nike Run Club app, track your runs on

\[15:07\] Strava to collect the segment badges and then be one of the first 170 finishers of all segments and check in at the Sydney Swans by 6:00pm. So okay, I know what happened — they dropped the last segment, and as soon as they dropped it, people ran it and then went over to the Swans to collect. Okay, okay. But they were giving people enough range — obviously they closed it, all the T's and C's always are in these types of things. What a great concept for hardcore runners, you don't get much better prizes than

\[15:37\] that. So I was having a discussion with — I was running with Dr Ben this morning and we were discussing that 170 people who were there — how would you react on that run, you're getting to run next to them? Do you think half of them have got their phone out trying to get a running selfie? Half stepping in with the phone out trying to get themselves in the shot, half stepping — or is it a crowd that just goes, oh wow, I'm just going to

\[16:08\] watch it, because if I was running next to him, yeah, you'd just run — well, I'd actually be looking at him going, oh wow, look how he moves. Just run — yeah, like, oh look at his foot, you know, geez, look how he's — and if I was running next to him I'd be out of breath because I'm sprinting, no, and I'd also have my phone out. That's a look — I'll be really interested to see, because I would imagine — well, here's a question for you, hypothetically, what if they said no phones? I would say great. Would you say —

\[16:39\] would it be as popular? I still think it would be, yeah, because even if someone said you don't have your phone, those who had gone to do it would still want to do it. But I don't think — I mean, this is still a marketing exercise, right, they're going to want everyone to show off. Well, for context, this weekend coming, we're doing the — we're live at the Icebergs dining room, and then it's actually my birthday on this Saturday. I have made the decision to stay on and have the birthday in

\[17:11\] Sydney solo — my wife's actually coming down as well, London's coming down — but because I want to see Kipchoge run on Sunday morning, because I don't think I'll ever see him run a marathon again. I don't think his marathons are going to become — fewer and fewer, further and further between, and I want to see him run. So for me, someone really into it, the opportunity to see him run — I'm not going to bother getting a video because he's going to go past in a flash, but I just want to see him run. If this was something where I could run with him, I would 100% have my phone out.

\[17:44\] Yeah, okay. But again, getting back to the activation of this — it's a super idea, it's a winner. Such a great idea, such a great — Strava, this creative way — I mean, we talked about the Red Bull flying spring at City2Surf, this creative way, it's not just literally throwing up a challenge anymore and you get, you know, 25% off with some brand shoes.

\[18:17\] That's not happening anymore — well, it is happening, but it's not having the same cut-through, because we just talked about Adidas doing this massive big challenge and you're like, yeah, it's so saturated. Just on Strava for a second — do you — here's another Strava prediction for you, an interface change. What do you think of the Strava interface? What do you think of the way Strava as an app works? They made —

\[18:47\] you mean the visual look of it? Yeah, they made a change, something happened this week, didn't it? Oh, did it? Something happened this week with it — when I went to record, it asked me, do you want to see it in a certain way live, do you want to see some type of live look? I'm just going to press record here. Have you seen that, it says GPS acquired? Yeah, I have seen that, but what I mean more is — you think back to what the Facebook interface was, the Facebook feed when it started, it's a little

\[19:21\] bit reminiscent of what Strava is currently. And now you think about what the Facebook feed looks like now, it's very different. I just wonder whether — are you going to just see your mates, or will you end up seeing random people, or is there a different way to see your mates? Because for the most part now it's just a rolling feed of my friends, which is what you want to see, right? Well, but do they create a way in which you can better define the order of what you see — your friends, or the type of running you see, or can

\[19:52\] you — will you? What I'm getting at is I wonder how much, with all the Strava activations they're looking at, they're doing any work on your feed, and is there a better way to be illustrating your feed to you with the stuff you want to see? Okay, well, here's the question — what do you want to see? What do we all use Strava for? Do you only really want to know what your mates are doing, or do you really give a crap what anyone else is doing?

\[20:23\] Here's something I would like to see — you can have this for free, I'll take a percentage if you find a way to monetise it — I'd love to know when you're running live. Yeah, that's dangerous. Is it? Especially — we've discussed this, not just for men, but especially for women. Yeah, that's a good point, you've already found a hole in it, well done. I mean, that's — no, no, you're right, that's like the whole saga with Snapchat for kids when they had live location. What's that? So, from my understanding anyway, on Snapchat most of the kids had live location on

\[20:55\] so they could see where their friends were at certain times, but that also allowed — the back end of it — I've got a true story, I've been travelling out west before, when some of the kids were younger, having a look, and you know, in an event, are any of your mates out at that time? Yeah, such and such, is that the property over there? And, oh my, you could see where everyone was. This is why, privacy-wise, if you're running along thinking that's fine, you're an idiot. I like this — this is how this podcast

\[21:25\] works — I have ideas, say the idea, and I haven't troubleshot them in any way, I don't think through these things. Some of them are gold, like the halfway house of the Gold Coast Marathon, which if I'm a betting man, happens next year. Some of them, like live-recording of runs while trail running — not so good. Well, hey, if you're in a race, 100% — the problem with the go-live, I mean, for road running it actually probably makes sense because you're always going to have mobile reception. The problem with trail is where —

\[21:55\] actually you'd probably sometimes think it's a good idea to go live, more for the opposite reason, more from a safety point of view — if something happened, it'd be good for someone live to know where I am, but then you'd probably run out of mobile reception. Here's another idea, a better, safer, less dodgy idea than the one I just came up with — what if Strava bought the broadcast rights to the World Marathon Majors? What if Strava became the official broadcast partner of Sydney and Berlin and London and New York?

\[22:26\] And you could follow everyone, you could watch it. What if Strava — because the problem we have is, as the world moves to streaming and all the different services, and live TV going behind paywalls and all that sort of stuff — what if Strava said, we know runners want to watch these races, we know runners are the ones who use our app, let's provide that, and it becomes part of your — yeah, I'm tipping you're buying Strava Premium. If you buy Strava Premium, you

\[22:57\] can watch the major marathons on Strava. But can't you already watch — aren't all the major marathons on YouTube? No, no, they're not, right — because I've sat in a pub in London — sorry, I sat in a pub in Sydney and attempted to watch the London Marathon on a dodgy YouTube feed one year with a bunch of the Dark Crew runners. No, it's not that straightforward to watch world marathons on your TV or YouTube or whatever. Right, so there you go, there's an idea. Talking about Strava, we did get a message from Tanya

\[23:28\] Branson this week, and she shared the Strava Wankers Instagram page, and she said there is enough banter in that one profile for you two to just do a podcast for a year. I love that — it is what it says on the tin. I had a quick look — Strava, if you're safe, we're stuck for content, I don't know, we'll dig into that. Let's move on. Okay, this one — I can't remember who sent this to me,

\[23:58\] sorry, but Front Office Sports is — it's talked about Rice Krispies over in the States, treats are upending the billion-dollar athlete-fuelling wars. Now, how true this is, not sure, however it makes sense, right — if you watch the Tour de France and see the snacks and what they grab after the race, like straight into the soft drinks, Cokes, whatever — it does make sense. We're spending a lot of money, a lot of time, buying very expensive nutrition products which arguably sometimes are

\[24:29\] just giving you the same ingredients as confectionery. So Rice Krispies have actually jumped on this and they're now starting to lean in and advertise that their products are actually worthwhile for you during sport — watch this space. It's the old joke about Gatorade — the only people who use Gatorade being elite athletes and hungover people. You're finding ways to leverage your existing consumers into a different area. You've changed my perception

\[25:01\] on energy drinks and nutrition and fuel. When we first started running together and we'd be up in the range talking about all the stuff we now talk about on the podcast — because I remember you summed it up really well, and I'm going to get it wrong now, but the way I think about it — you were talking about Red Bull, and I've just knocked off one of these forest-fruit-flavour, sugar-free ones by the way, exactly, I like that one, sugar-free though — you summed it up for me that

\[25:32\] basically, all these products, it's about getting caffeine and sugar into your system. An energy gel does it for you, an energy drink does it for you, your lollies, your glucose, it's whatever. Gatorade just released a product — tastes pretty average — but they just released a hydration drink with caffeine in it as well. Like, yeah, it's no secret — you can have a banana and a coffee and it's still kind

\[26:03\] of the same thing. But it's all about branding and marketing and the way things are advertised and pushed on you. But ultimately all of these things are achieving the same end, which is to put back into your system, or introduce into your system, the things you need to keep going — until you need so much carb-loading at the really high rates, then sports-specific nutrition, that's where it starts to make sense, right, because your gut comes

\[26:35\] into play, you've got to be able to handle it, so there is a place for that. But for the majority of people at the distances and intensities we're talking about, there's choice there — choose what you like, choose what works for you, find the vehicle that best gets what you need into your system. Choose what you like. But then I thought that was interesting — I've never tried Rice Krispies, I assume it's kind of like Coco Pops, it looks like it in the picture, you know,

\[27:05\] Coco Pops, or Rice Bubbles — Rice Bubbles, do they call them Crispies or something like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, this one, Liam — well, don't look, I've got a note on our run sheet, it says 'Liam, don't look beforehand.' So this is from Run Lifestyle over in Paris, and it's titled 'The 10 Running Brands Fashion Kids Are Turning Into Objects of Desire.'

\[27:36\] Okay, before we get into this — is now the time to talk about your Salomon event? Do you want to do it when we talk about — we'll do it, jeez, yeah, we've got a lot packed into this week's episode, we'll get to that. But here's the reason I said don't look at it — can I bring it up now? Do you want me to look at it now or — no, no, no, don't look, I'm not looking at it. So if you're running along, same thing — well, you can't look at it, I'm going to close my eyes. Because you're running, but I want to know how many of these brands you've heard of. Okay, okay.

\[28:06\] So first one we have Satisfy. Nope, never. Oh come on, I haven't heard of Satisfy. Satisfy sounds like a Beatles song, dude. No, Rolling Stones — joking. We just lost half our listeners who haven't heard of it. So that is the running brand, like the grunge running brand. I haven't heard of it. You know Moth — before Nike did it. Moth Eden — sure, haven't heard of it. I'm not — here's what I'll say as we continue down the track, I'm not going to lie to you

\[28:36\] about any of these to seem cool. No, okay. I have not heard of that brand. Alright, well, you're representing our everyday runner, so maybe — anyway, Andy, write in and tell us what you think too. So Satisfy — I hadn't heard of this one either. The second one was UVU, I'm assuming there's a pronunciation for that, UVU — nope. Out of the UK, Tracksmith. Yes! Is that an American brand? Thank god, you've heard of one. Tracksmith, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's — I have heard of Track—

\[29:06\] smith, so it's the old — college, yeah, it's a — it was a college runner that started them up. No, I'm not sure of the exact story, but it's a collegiate thing. I have heard of Tracksmith, the old school, they brought back the short shorts, yep, with the splits in them. Okay, Tracksmith, I've heard of Tracksmith. Bandit — yeah, I've heard of Bandit, we've talked about them. Yeah, we've talked about Bandit, that's one of the newer ones, they look pretty much space-aged. Saysky — nope, never heard of that one either, that's out of Copenhagen. 24

\[29:37\] Represent — no, 21 Represent, this one's getting traction at the moment, 24 Represent, so it's out of the UK as well, but the way they market is quite unique, I think. I'd have to look it up, I hadn't heard of this one either. This is at Mexico — how do you pronounce it? See, this is the problem when you don't — I need your help with pronunciation, Kamori? No, we've both not heard of that one. Now, District Vision — not on the surface,

\[30:08\] so — I was actually ahead of the game on this one, I'm going to call it — hey, I was there, full disclosure, I ran for Oakley for nearly 20 years, and when that kind of came to an end, or whatever, I was around looking for sunnies, and what caught my attention was District Vision — they came out with sunnies, so they're an American company but they made the sunnies out of Japan, and they were kind of like a blade-looking sunny, just completely different, you know — I wanted something completely different

\[30:39\] than what anyone else was wearing. So I went and chatted to the founder for a while, and anyway, I wore their sunnies for a few years, they were awesome. Just quickly, when you say you 'chatted to the founder' so casually — what's that conversation like, when you, as an elite athlete at the time, going back into your elite-athlete days when you're still competing and you're looking for brand partnerships and sponsors and people that are going to help you continue your job — what is that conversation? Well, I wasn't looking for a sponsor, I

\[31:10\] just liked the glasses, and they cost bloody 400 Australian bucks and I'm like, can I get these for free, I want to try them before I buy them, can I please have these for free? But this was before they did — now they're doing run gear and it's like Satisfy, it's pretty sick gear they do. So I'm giving them a good plug here because they did help — I wore their sunnies for a while, they were sick. Optimistic Runners out of Berlin — nope, and the final one,

\[31:41\] New Balance out of Boston — that, to me, is crazy, that New Balance is on the list with these other brands as though it's on par. This New Balance Tractor St — oh, so, are these more running brands that are transferring onto the street, or the fashion brands? The headline was — no, these are running brands, but they're the ones that the cool kids are wearing. Slap to me, who's never heard

\[32:11\] of most of them, definitely doesn't own any of them. The headline was: 'The 10 Running Brands Fashion Kids Are Turning Into Objects of Desire, Where Performance Meets Fashion.' Look, hey, I've got to up my game, I've got to up my games. Good time to talk probably about the Salomon event I went to. Yeah, let's get into it — hold on, before you get into it, can I just say brand-recognition-wise — because

\[32:42\] I put out a story on my personal Instagram the other day because I need to get some new running shirts, right, I've got my shoes fine, I've got a range of shoes I'd like, I don't see me wanting to change my running shorts any time soon — those Salomon running shorts, I've got two pairs of them, they are good, they are just perfect for the running I'm doing. But I love them. I just put it out there and said, hey, what am I running in top-wise, right — what do people, what are the masses, or your friend group, running in?

\[33:14\] Well, my friend group's overwhelming response was one brand. Overwhelming. Like, I'm — I reckon I'm going to guess this, but my first thought was Nike. Nope, just because it's an easy one to go down to the store and buy — but you're going to say LSKD, aren't you? Bang on, overwhelming. But I knew it, because I fell for a while, LSKD, it's because of knowing

\[33:46\] your friend, your circle — and we're in Queensland and we're living on the Gold Coast, that made sense to me, it made sense to me, everyone's got their little — this is a brand that most people, I think even maybe three years ago, hadn't really heard of. No, because it was a motocross brand, they just repositioned themselves to become a run brand, right? Amazingly, yeah, that is an incredible effort in marketing. LSKD Industries — what was it,

\[34:18\] what do you call the shorts that used to go down over your knees? Oh, the — not the jean shorts, yeah — cargo pants, that was. Yeah, but now what they've done to transition themselves into the brand of choice — again, the people — it was overwhelming, probably 90% of people saying oh, the LSKD pace. These are all interestingly, like, hobby joggers, not really athletes — these are not like my mates who all run 2:30 or 2:40 marathons, these are your average people

\[34:50\] who exercise. I'd be interested to know, for the southerners who listen to us, if it's the same — 'cause I think it's a Gold Coast thing, yeah, well, they're out of Logan or Brisbane, up that way, halfway. Anyway, let's talk Salomon, because — I, Courtney, knowing you like I do, I — the event you were at, it looked awesome, it was awesome, but I can just picture how you would have been standing and what you would have

\[35:21\] been thinking. Can I give you — okay, so I'll give you a story. Yes, go ahead. So this was — Salomon are opening flagship stores around the country at the moment, this was the Sydney opening, so it was — the Galleries, anyway, in the middle of the city somewhere, right on George St, the Galleries is right on George St in the middle of, Sydney CBD, for those who don't know. So it was an invite that came through an agency — I knew Pete from Salomon, he'd organised it, it was his gig, so I rocked up. Now, I knew I'd

\[35:55\] been pre-warned that it was going to be quite a fashion crowd. The agency running it was — you know, the in-crowd in Sydney that would just as much attend a Versace evening out at the Opera House — more fashion than sport, definitely more fashion than sport. Yep. So my first clue when I arrived was there were two burly security guards on the door. Oh god. And as I rocked up, he

\[36:25\] looked at me and then he looked down at my shoes — I was rocking a pair of those green ones, they're gone now — because I was wearing them, he looked at my shoes, saw that Salomon, just nodded his head, and, you know, he didn't even ask for the guest list, and I went straight in, and I was like, oh okay, it's kind of — we got in there, and then it was a crowd, it's like one of those futuristic movies, what was the movie, The Fifth Element, where —

\[36:55\] the fifth film with Bruce Willis. Yeah, you remember, they go in — you know, it's like Star Wars, not quite that far, no, no, I'm exaggerating, there's flying cars and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was full-on. And anyway, the first thing I did was, I'm like, I walked in, and then you know when you walk into somewhere and you know no one? Yeah. And so straight away I did a lap, I'm looking for a familiar face. That lap at an event where you know nobody, or you don't recognise anybody, is one of the

\[37:26\] more uncomfortable moments. But if it was an event with runners and I didn't know anyone, I probably would have just cracked a conversation, they would have known you. No, not even if they didn't know me, no, no, no, I'd have something in common to be able to — but at a running event people would have recognised you, at a fashion event, all due respect, that's not your crowd. Even if a running event didn't recognise me it wouldn't have mattered, you can make conversation. But I was like — anyway, so then the next thing I did, and I feel like this is the worst thing, I went to my phone to message Liam, hey, where the hell are you?

\[37:57\] And as I was messaging, I looked up and then I saw — everything I think — we had a great night in there, and then obviously very sports-style-oriented, all the street wear. But then Salomon, they have a full wall of S/Lab, so you can go in — which is really the first time, because even when I'd been into an Adidas store recently, a lot of these stores don't stock the top-of-the-range stuff.

\[38:30\] You've really got to go online and just guess your way through a lot of the top-end stuff, because they stock what sells. So what's nice about these concept stores is you can go in there and see all of the top-of-the-range S/Lab as well as the normal run shoes, which is really cool, and then all the new colours and everything like that. So this — when I looked at your stories as you were putting up about the event, I just — the thought of you walking that lap, I'm like, this is so good, we've all been there.

\[39:00\] Of course we have, of course we have. And you know what my strategy is with these things now — because more and more now I'm getting invited to things through the radio station and the likes where I don't know anybody, and my attitude is, it's just overconfidence. Now I act like not only am I meant to be there, but like I'm the person everybody's come to see. I'll just go up and start introducing myself, it is over-confidence now. Did you know me?

\[39:31\] Yeah, yeah, hey, are you excited that I'm finally here? But just going back, because talking about Salomon at the moment — message to Salomon, restock bloody size 9 UK on your site, right, I'm trying to buy a pair of Salomons at the moment and there is not a size 9 UK to be seen on your website at the moment. But here's the thing — despite feeling uncomfortable at these events, I think you are actually, from a run-style-person point of view, quite trendy, you're quite on point. We just went through all these

\[40:01\] brands that I'd never heard of, you're actually quite trendy and on point in the run-style world. No, I'm being genuine here, I'm not — as evidenced by the fact that what I did the other week, after we had a conversation about some Salomon shoes, I used ChatGPT to help me decide which model of Salomon shoe to get. I literally asked ChatGPT, are the Salomon ACS a trendy shoe to buy?

\[40:33\] Are they a run shoe, or are they — yes, Salomon ACS sneakers are decidedly trendy right now, here's why, and then it detailed it. If you're after 'sport style' — I keep saying sports style because that's the — not just Salomon, that's the industry jargon — I saw, who was it, geez, I'd have to check, maybe New Balance opened a concept store as well, but it's only got their sports-style range in there, so it'd be like walking into Hype or Platypus or one of them.

\[41:04\] Have you heard of the term 'gorp core'? Yeah, there's a Melbourne type. So I thought this — but no, gorp core is a fashion trend that incorporates — and here's one for all the runners out there who go, why are all these people walking up and down the streets in Hokas now as though they're fashionable — gorp core is a fashion trend that incorporates functional outdoor clothing, like hiking and camping gear, into everyday streetwear. The term GORP is said to be an acronym for 'good old raisins and peanuts,'

\[41:35\] which is like a trail-mix, a popular hiking snack. Okay, that's something, there you go, I learned something. Hey, keeping on this train — we will get to our running, because — I'm running well at the moment, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think our listeners who like the banter will appreciate this one as well. This one came in from Ellen Chick, but a lot of people wrote in with the same thing, this was multiple requests: 'if running shoes had Tinder profiles.' Oh, this is good, I've seen this one. Do you wanna —

\[42:05\] do you wanna — yeah, give me a break, and yeah, I'll give you a break, right. So this is for those of you that are single out there — running shoes as Tinder profiles, right, let's get stuck in. Nike — this is if Nike running shoes was a Tinder profile: 'Here for a quick PR, not a long run.' It's good, yeah, it's good. Brooks — and this is the one I refer to as a dad shoe: 'Your mum already likes me.' Perfect, oh that's good, 'your mum already likes me,'

\[42:36\] that is Brooks as a Tinder profile. In a heartbeat — ASICS, this will be a popular one, ASICS as a Tinder profile: 'Bouncy, bold, and a little unpredictable.' Vanilla, that feels vanilla to me, that's what I'm — I'm not swiping on that. Hoka — this is good, Hoka as a Tinder profile: 'Long walks on the beach and ultra marathons.' Yeah, that's nailed. Saucony — this is the one, I

\[43:06\] think this is appropriate — Saucony as a Tinder profile: 'Your fast fun fling.' That's true, fast fun fling, shout out to Bronte Langbroek, who wears the Sauconys. Adidas: 'Swipe right if you like pain.' Okay, pretty grim on runners, here we go — this one's weak: 'Swipe right for aesthetics, not endurance.' Yeah, that's bang on. Hey, if you're — like it must be so hard, if you're a brand, to

\[43:37\] change that brand perception, because it comes from what you originally put out to the world as a brand, then when you actually want to change it, to sell it in a different way — well, here's one for you, and here's one where maybe we can answer this question in next week's episode, because Clint Kimmins, who's an AG1 athlete who's going to be at Icebergs Dining Room with us on Friday, he's running in ONs these days.

\[44:07\] I was chatting to him before the Gold Coast Marathon, and he was looking for — he just wanted to change up his shoes, he was trying to find something he enjoyed running in that was comfortable and could still perform at a high level, and he's running in ONs. So I'll get a bit of a chat with Clint potentially next week about why he's running On. I'll give you one more shoe as a Tinder profile — Puma, okay, this is a good one: 'Flashy, fast, and making a comeback.'

\[44:38\] It feels right, it feels right. That was Bolt and Ben — Bolt and Ben on Instagram, he does some nice stuff on Instagram around his running. Let's get to — can we talk about our running weeks? Yeah, go for it. So, Deeks' Quarters — yeah, we had a fair few people write in about this, saying they enjoyed that chat. Deeks' Quarters — now for those who might have missed last week or don't quite remember, I'm still kind of softly working

\[45:09\] towards improving my 10K pace, I want to try and run a sub-40-minute 10K, so sub-4-minute pace over the 10K's. I'd been trying a once-a-week Monday session, my four-hundreds, so 12 — the goal was a 20-minute warm-up, 12 four-hundreds with a 100-metre walk in between. Off the bat, you suggested this session, Deeks' Quarters, yeah, which we've now confirmed is 'Deeks' Quarters' — is a Robert de Castella session, and he learnt it

\[45:39\] from — I'd say it's a Pat Clohessy session, Pat Clohessy who probably took the session — he was up in Finland in his early days training, so who knows. And it's amazing, once our phones hear us mention one thing, it appears everywhere, because not only did I speak to other people about it, but it also seemed to pop up — you've been spammed, I've been spammed. Anyway, I gave it a crack. Yep, what do you think? Overall reaction — love it as a session, love it,

\[46:12\] it's better than doing the 12 four-hundreds. I will never go back to that again, and you can make this as hard or as easy as you want as well. I was talking to Michael Whiting-Shea, who's a coach of some runners up in Brisbane, and I was telling him about this session, explaining it to him, and he said, mate, that is a hard session. Yeah, because he ran under Pat Clohessy, so he would have done it as well. So I gave it a crack — 20-minute warm-up, and

\[46:43\] you tell me if I've got this — for those who don't remember, the idea is that it's a 400 effort into a 200 float, and you don't want to drift too far between your 400 and — you want to keep on pace, and you're trying to do eight of these, so you get 4.8K, and in theory that should equate to a good 5K. So I was doing my 400s at 3:50s, okay, 3:50 K's pace, and my 200 float I was trying to keep below 4:30 pace. So there's a 40-second differential.

\[47:14\] Is that a bit too big? For me it is. Well, no, it's not for you personally, but do you think I should be trying to run that, would you recommend? Well, let me take you through the rest of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I ran my 400s at 3:50s, my 200 floats in between were going at 4:30s, and I couldn't finish rep 7\. So you've gone too hard, right. So I just had a quick chat to double check, in case it's wrong — you're running 19:10 pace for a 5K

\[47:44\] doing those 3:50s, right, and if that 3:50 pace equates and you can't finish it, you've gone too hard somewhere. But we also said maybe for the first one go for six, which is — I finished six. You didn't plan to go for six? I didn't really plan, I didn't know how it was going to feel, I just started, and because what I did is I programmed it into my Garmin and just went, well, let's shoot for 3:50 and try not to be any slower than 4:30, as a range.

\[48:16\] Which is perfect. You go out and do it, now you know — the good thing is now you know, so you've got two choices, you either go for the 3:50s again and give yourself a little bit extra rest, but I'd actually go, maybe tail off towards, you know, go to 3:55 and try and keep the same rest, and see whether you can handle that. And then over time you can work out — I mean, that's that progression, you know, as much as it gets boring, there's also benefit in the repetition of doing sessions as benchmarking. Yes, yes, you don't want to do

\[48:47\] it every week, like you don't want to get into the habit of just — and there are coaches and programmes out there where every Tuesday we do this. When I swam with Denis Cotterell down at Miami Pool, I can guarantee you, you'd walk in there on a Monday morning and we were going to do 3 hundreds — ten 3-hundreds, because that's what you did, ten 3-hundreds on 4 minutes, because that's what you did. Yeah. What's interesting about this session is those four

\[49:19\] hundreds I'd been doing — I was, my attitude going in was, I'm going to do that on Monday, and I was like, because I wasn't really enjoying the 12 400-metre reps, I'm really looking forward to Monday, to having a crack at this again, I'm genuinely excited. It's shorter in total distance and session time than what I'd kind of been doing — I admittedly finished up early, but I ran 8.2K's during this session with

\[49:49\] a 20-minute warm-up and a 5-minute cool-down, and this bit in the middle. So it's not a long, lengthy, bust-your-legs session, but I really enjoyed it, I'm really excited to see how I'm going to go again. And you and I were talking the other day on the phone, and I thought to add it to the Bible of great running quotes we've come up with, which is 'harder, not further' — one that was getting fed back to me at the finish line of the Gold Coast Marathon. Oh yeah, harder, not further,

\[50:19\] harder, not further. The other one we came up with the other day was, 'running's hard, but it's not that hard, it's not that complicated.' Yeah, it's not that hard. Yeah, running's hard, but it's not that hard, as in, running is hard because — it's physically hard, you can make yourself push hard, but to get better at running, it's not that hard, just consistency. Yeah, go there. Always. I love that, I've been saying that to so many people since we came up with it. I mean, again, this has probably

\[50:52\] been passed down over time, but the person I remember telling me it was Craig Walton. So Craig — Craig Try — Triathlon, yeah, he trained Emma Snowsill at the time she won gold at the Beijing Olympics, and he always used to say, it's not — like, the longer you can train at the level you need to, consistently, without getting injured, the better chance you're going to have to perform. You know, injuries are the problem, missing training or sickness or

\[51:24\] whatever it is — every time you get interrupted, that's the problem, it's not the training. So if you can manage the load and be able to do that consistently over years, you improve. Which is the big misconception, and I think there's probably a lot of people who listen to this podcast, who run a bit, will understand what the real benefit of PEDs are. But for those who might not — people think it makes you super strong or super, but no, it's the ability to recover and train harder, that's the PED, that's why these athletes run the risk of getting caught, it's

\[51:57\] because PEDs give them the ability to train harder and longer with less rest needed to win. Yeah, and that's where the advantage comes, it's not because it turns you into Superman, it gives you the ability to train more. Two degrees — I'm pretty sure those who are getting popped for EPO are probably going, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, simplifying it a little bit there. Just quickly, you mentioned Emma Snowsill — can we just put a marker on, can we stay on the Snowsill children —

\[52:30\] can we just keep an eye on their kids, because when you combine Emma Snowsill and Jan Frodeno, their kids are going to be some sort of super-athlete, aren't they? Well, if genetics plays a part in it — for those not aware, you've got one of Australia's greatest ever, married to one of the greatest, maybe the greatest, they both won at Beijing. It's like some sort of science experiment. Well, the kids could have a pretty good leg-up, you'd think, if they want to go down that route. It'd be interesting — like, forget about them for the moment, but it's interesting,

\[53:01\] I find it interesting in parents I've known through competition at that level, and some of the kids follow in their footsteps and go that way. Others it completely turns off. Well, yeah, like, turns them off. Well, Andy, who we're talking to next Friday at Bondi Icebergs, he talked about the fact that his holidays were going to watch his parents run amateur marathons. Yeah, but his parents were running amateur marathons, so it was a whole — but it never turned him off it. No, no, but I think competitive kids who

\[53:33\] see parents in competition — so this is an interesting chat, that's a different element, kids who see parents in that environment — so the one the other day was, yes, not enjoyment. Exactly. And then I think it's even sport-dependent, like if you grow up in a sport, we talk running, if your dad or mum is like an Olympic marathoner, and you're a kid who's five, well, you might

\[54:03\] follow in their footsteps and love it. But the other way is like, god, that's hard, that's the last thing I ever want to do, and that's work for mum or dad. Yeah, and it's stressful, they're trying to make an Olympic team, they've gone through a bloody — they're fighting for their spot, that person keeps knocking on their door, and there's a way into it — why does someone keep coming and taking blood out of their arms every night? You know, as a kid seeing that at five years old at home, it can go one way. However, if you took, sorry, NFL, and you're like Tom

\[54:35\] Brady's or — who's the new collegiate, my brother was telling me about, the Manning kid, a descendant of the Mannings — it's a little bit different, like, you're at home as a five-year-old throwing a ball in the living room with your dad, it's a little bit more fun, right? Yeah, yeah, you're probably more inclined to go that way than, hey, you want to come for a 20K run with me? Look at the Dacos boys right now, Nick and Josh Dacos, father Peter — he's obviously made footy fun enough for them because they're doing okay at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So to go back to Deeks' Quarters —

\[55:07\] love it, thank you for the session, and to anybody out there who heard us talk about it and hasn't given it a crack yet, highly recommend it, I've really enjoyed that session. I'm still combining that with my really easy-pace, longer runs, over 5-minute-per-K, sort of 12 to 15K jogs. Running's good, I'm really enjoying running again at the moment. In fact, yesterday, the day before recording, I just went out and it was raining, I was belting down here, and I said, oh, I want to get a run in,

\[55:38\] anyway, I went out and did 6K's at that slower pace, and I started the run with no real plan, but I just decided — that's six K's of kind of that cruisy 5-minute pace for me — I'm like, I feel like just stopping and doing a bit of a little tempo here. So I did 3K's at just under 4:30 pace, just for no reason, not thinking about what the training benefit was, just to run a bit faster, and it was great, and then I pulled back for another two to three K's at the end and just slowed down again to that 5-minute pace, and it was a great run. Sounds like you're loving running.

\[56:08\] I'm loving my running at the moment, it's good. How's yours going? Well, so am I, because this will be my fourth week kind of tapering up around the 80K, 70 to 80K mark, yeah, so we kind of got back on top of it, and what did I do last week — a few sessions, not hard sessions, but we ran at the speed group again, actually had a good one. Louis McPhee, who — he forgot what his marathon time was, but one of Australia's better 10K runners a few years back — he turned

\[56:42\] up, and we're all waiting to hear what the session was for the morning on a Tuesday morning down there, and he gave us four sets through — four minutes, four minutes, one minute rest, 30 seconds harder, 30 seconds, 30 seconds harder, 30 seconds, back into the four minutes. So it was a 28-minute session all up. Now, as soon as I heard it, I was like — because normally we get a session from Jacko if we're

\[57:14\] down there at the speed group and we're all together — and the first thing I said was, jeez, that's something different. You talk about repetition, like, I know, yeah, that's different, Jacko gave us something different this week, and he's like, no, I made that one up, and I'm like, see, I picked it, you can pick things from a mile away. For those — I've just done a quick Google of Louis, yeah, you're right, one-time national champion, okay, I didn't give him quite enough — his half marathon PB is 1:10,

\[57:45\] yep — no, he'd be — that's not right, no, oh sorry, that's sorry, I lied, that's his season-best, but for this year, so that's the best half marathon he's run, he would have been like a 62-minute runner. Really, am I looking at the right one? Maybe not, is he — you're asking questions I don't know the answers to, Liam, but — his 10,000 metres, he ran — oh, there we go, his PB over the 10K was 28:51, yeah, that sounds — Melbourne, back in 2019\. That's sounding more like the

\[58:15\] type of runner — I love the session we copped, because it was completely different and tough, like running 30 seconds, 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off twice, and then going back into the four minutes, on an undulating course, was pretty testing. So that was — but your running's going good again, and we ran on that, that was a good one. Can I just ask about your running now that you're talking about it going well — we're going to be down in Sydney, so there's going to be that marathon fever around as well, what's coming up for you,

\[58:46\] have you got an event, have you got anything? I'm surprised the competitive fire in you hasn't looked to something. I don't want you getting ahead of yourself, it's just like you throwing out — I love getting ahead of myself, there is nothing more fun than completely and utterly getting out over your skis and getting way beyond this.

\[59:17\] There's nothing more I'd hate to do than start making claims and then something going wrong. But no, everything's moving on. I had a run in Sydney this week — when was that? Yesterday, Thursday morning. And you know, I actually stayed up in the city because of that Salomon event, where I normally would be out on the coast, and I ran around the harbour, and it was pissing down. I ran down Macquarie St, and there were literally waterfalls. So straight off the bat, my

\[59:48\] shoes and everything was soaked. And that's another thing I'm sure people who travel a bit for work and go running have experienced — when you're staying in a hotel, and you've been out running in the rain for the whole morning, and then you've got to make that, how do I get through the foyer dripping, just saturated. Dripping — how do you dry your shoes? Well, I had an esky with me, because I had to take some drinks down, so that was an easy solve this time. What do you mean, how does that dry your shoes?

\[01:00:18\] I didn't dry them, I just put the wet shoes in the esky so then I didn't have to carry them, that was easy, just brought them back. That's high-school-science-level thinking, how would an esky dry shoes? Yeah, you got it, and just shake it. No, no, no, I had an esky on me with a wetsuit that I'd taken down, a few other things — I went out to Urban Surf, there was a — oh cool, that's out there — not so cool, because the group I was in only booked out the beginner course, it was a large group of people I was in and they'd only booked the beginner course, so they only kept the waves at a little rip, yeah, we couldn't go out

\[01:00:49\] the back, but anyway, running's going good, right, I had a few hills out in the range which felt great, and the one thing I have changed up — and talking about progression of things I'm adding, yes, the third thing we talked about — I really want to get to Pilates at some stage, now, have you done that before? No, I haven't, because I need to do some too, that's the third phase of where I'm going, so strength was first, right, well —

\[01:01:19\] running consistency, we just call that business as usual. Some proper strength like lifting was first, second was pillar work, like, when I say activating, but like making sure pre-run and post-run I've been doing strides and doing like, post-run and pre-run, doing some like walking squats, walking one-legged squats or whatever, just really making sure that before I go running I've warmed up, and at the end go through that cycle of movement.

\[01:01:52\] Right, that seems to be — I feel good. Yeah, great, I feel good. The third pillar will be the Pilates, but I was kind of like, you don't want to just throw everything into the bucket at once, this is not a Nutribullet, 'cause then you're like, which one do I — which one works the best, yeah, that's the next phase. That's cool. Well, let's stay in touch about Pilates, 'cause I've always thought the fit old people I know do

\[01:02:24\] yoga or Pilates, and I'm like, why not just start it earlier? It's probably — there was always a bit of a stigma attached to it, it's not there anymore, but you know, most of the AFL clubs, big part of it, yeah, because it's — it's pliability and flexibility, and speaking of, Tom Brady swears by the pliability, there's no need to get jacked and massive, just stay flexible. Now, before we finish up, and I know you've got a local trail race you want to talk about —

\[01:02:54\] but quickly before we finish up, I do want to remind people, if you've gotten to this point and you thought at the start, oh, I've got a question I want you guys to ask Andy Buchanan — another reminder, do it now, we are going to be live at Bondi Icebergs this coming Friday, we'll be doing the episode live with Andy Buchanan for AG1, and then we will be posting that up on the podcast feed on the Saturday morning. But if you do have a question, we can't guarantee it, but we will try and ask Andy, the Australian marathon record holder, as many questions as we can ahead of the Sydney Marathon. Yeah, yeah, 100%, we're looking forward to that one.

\[01:03:24\] Now, we had a massive run sheet today, we will push some to next week. Now, I did want to give a call-out to Joseph Ogilvy, he's sending in his race report from the Sunshine Coast Marathon, so apologies Joseph, it's been sitting there, we'll get to it, we'll get to it. He wants you to go for a run in the Super Blasts as well, he wants you to try the ASICS Super Blast. Try the ASICS Super Blast, Super Blast 2, you're an ASICS — yeah, right, I haven't run in the ASICS Super

\[01:03:55\] Blast 2, I haven't run in ASICS, I'm doing my long slows in Kayanos at the moment. Yeah, it's fine, I'm building a list, yeah, with everyone's recommendations of, try this shoe, try that shoe, everyone's got their shoe. The thing with shoes is everyone's foot's different, and we've always said, for a lot of these things, you've got to find the thing that works, but you've got to go in the shop. But yeah, the local race — we got a call-out from J&D, it's the

\[01:04:25\] Coffs Trail Runners' Washpool event each year — now, a mate of mine, I think, believe he won this last year, and he was doing his medical registrar down there, running a lot of the trails, reckons it's amazing, as good as around the back of Coffs, as good as around the Goldy and all that. So that is going to be the 21st to the 22nd of March 2026, entries open in October, Saturday the 4th of October. So if you're interested in a new trail race, put that in your

\[01:04:57\] diaries — Saturday 4th of October, the Washpool World Heritage trails, there's a 50K, a 25K, and a 9K race, where Queensland meets New South Wales — we're right in the middle of the Gold Coast and Sydney, so if you're coming from down south, just keep running north and you'll move up to the Gold Coast like the rest of us. Interestingly, I met a fella from Adelaide, I was at Riggs Recovery in Currumbin the other day, and I met a fella from Adelaide, and when I was moving up out of Adelaide, everybody either moved to Melbourne or Sydney, and this

\[01:05:27\] young fella was saying that a bunch of his mates from Adelaide are all moving here, everyone's moving here, we know that. Once Adelaide's awake to it, you know it's the beginning of the end. Anyway, hey, to finish off, we love a little bit of banter, here we go, for those in — I don't know what camp — have a listen: 'Runners that are cracking a 3-minute pace, you know, 3 minutes, sat in a 4-minute pace, just get off Strava, breathe, like what are you doing, you've already completed whatever goals you're completing, let us —' you know, I mean, I'm

\[01:05:58\] here struggling at a 6-minute pace, 6:30, breathing heavy like a dog, you know what I mean — you're out there on a Sunday-arvo cash run, 20 to 30 K's at a 3-to-4-minute pace, go away, go away. All on Tekkers, he's great, he's a very funny fella, and I kind of agree with him. It's given me another Strava idea — I wonder if, as part of your profile setup,

\[01:06:28\] you could ban anyone who runs quicker than a certain pace. Will you — but also, like, for you, are you interested in people running at 6:30 pace? I'm interested, yeah, I'm interested. But what if — I only want to see people I personally know, where did you run today and what did you do? I think there'd be fast runners out there who aren't interested in anybody running slower than 5:30 pace, and I wonder if Strava in the future gives you the option to

\[01:06:59\] mute — you know how that's the next thing, there's the prediction for Strava, a mute button, so you can start muting people who run either too fast or too slow for what you're interested in, but you still have to be on premium. Alright, see you next week. We'll see you next week.