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# EP 69 - MAKE CROSS COUNTRY GREAT AGAIN, SHOE SHAMED AT THE POLO & STRAVA’S AI PROBLEM
- URL: https://www.inthebeginningpodcast.com/ep-69-make-cross-country-great-again-shoe-shamed-at-the-polo-stravas-ai-problem/
- Published: 2026-01-16T06:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2026-08-20T11:40:45.000Z
- Description: Courtney Atkinson and Liam Flanagan on Strava culture, T100, Olympics & 2032 — recorded on the Gold Coast.
- Author: Courtney Atkinson
- Tags: Episodes, Main Feed, Strava, Triathlon, Olympics, Trail Running, #Import 2026-07-28 20:58

*Courtney Atkinson and Liam Flanagan on Strava culture, T100, Olympics & 2032 — recorded on the Gold Coast.*

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\[00:00\] In the beginning, episode 69, Courtney, I know this is a childish way to start. Yeah, that was the number you'd laugh at school, right? If it ever came up and got set out like 69\. It's all about 6-7 now. That's what I was going to say. Kids briefly went through a phase apparently where 4/20 was the funny, if ever. For my brother's a teacher, that's the brother in law. Sorry is a teacher. That's the reason I know all this. We used to laugh at 69, then there was a generation that laughed at 4:20\. Now it's all about 6-7, can't say 6-7 in front of kids.

\[00:31\] And anybody running who has kids right now listening to this will know exactly what and be sick of it. Exactly right. Let's just Flanigan. Can we start off today's episode? And if you don't watching the video, watching it on Spotify, you're not wearing a Red Bull hat. No, well, off the bat I'm I'm make cross country great again. You are working. And Australia have made cross country race again. So now talk. Can you talk to us a little bit about the hat before we get to

\[01:01\] this? So you obviously haven't listened to our New Year special? No, no, no. I have but Ryan Kelso. Yeah. Mr Kelso. Mr Kelso. This is my Christmas present from Ryan, making sure we remember what we preach. Yes, make cross country great again. It's a ripping hat, it is a ripping hat, and as it turned out on the weekend, Australia taking gold in the relay. They're making cross country great again. And with my favourite Jess Hull anchoring them, Yep, to the wind. This, this is Now for those who might not have put it two and

\[01:34\] two together, This is the amazing course that we spoke about last week that had the Gator logs and the wet section and the all the rest of that. This is the actual course which at the time when we were talking about it, I thought. It didn't look like the artistic. Impressions. I thought it was ChatGPT being playing funny buggers but this is the actual race and then so, the Aussie court said of Oliver Hall, Linden Hall, Jack Anstey and Jess Hull have taken out the four by two kilometre.

\[02:04\] Mixed real life for the first time ever at the World Cross Country Championships. First time ever, First time ever the Australia of You're right, I don't know if it's the first time ever that race has been held. Why did I think in one of her media what she said into 2023? So for the while, while Courtney's having a bit of a look there, Oliver Hall, who is the 1500 metre COM Games champion, he led the team off and then just howl around the Anchor League and beating home Ethiopia and Kenya.

\[02:38\] It's that like first this is it'll probably go uncelebrated through mainstream media. Yep, But this is Australia beating Ethiopia and Kenya in distance running. Yeah, you're right too. It was in 23 Bathurst, remember, We're back in Australia. They were running. They were third. They gave 3rd. It's the first time with. Oliver, Jessica, Stewie Mcswain and Abby Cadwell. They have. We have one the World Cross Country Championships.

\[03:11\] Yep, the relay. The Sprint relay. The Sprint sure don't don't do that, don't do that. This is a again, I look, I know it's a team event. Yep, but I think this is another huge feather in the cap of Jess Hull and her and her running legacy. 100% and it's also a massive NOT. A take away from the other three at all. It's a relay race, you've all got to perform to achieve this, but for her to have that moment of taking the tape. Yeah, and I think this is a

\[03:41\] good, you know, talking about make making cross country great again. This is, I reckon, a great showing, not just because Australia won, but just because of the nature of, I suppose, the way the course was and everything else when they're this is a great event for the Olympics. It's OK. Just like the let's like the mixed triathlon events. Yeah, I'm not as into the mixed swimming events. So the traditional sports stay traditional. But this one bringing in, you know, new age cross country bit of excitement. They can create an artificial

\[04:11\] course. Like imagine in Brisbane running up around Victoria Park and then they're putting in all those elements you've talked about the beach and you know, maybe they, it has. Some ground water to represent the brown snake. Yeah, yeah. All of that I can imagine. This is a great event to watch. I this because I was and I appreciate the campaign for cross country to get into the Olympics, but you could argue there's already a heap of running. This is a genuine point of difference this. Exactly. It's not just throwing another

\[04:42\] track of ending or putting a, you know, a mixed 400 metre relay around the track. And this is like bringing something new to it. And when you're talking about the Olympics, wanting spectators, I mean watching a cross country course with elements of, you know, technical elements in it or something that adds extra value than just the running itself. I believe that takes the box of innovation of and more interest to youth. Like if I'm a young person, if I was a young kid running, that seems a lot more exciting. Just like kids love cross country at school. That seems a lot more exciting

\[05:13\] to me than just going out and whacking around the track if I'm watching as well. But don't you might not be able to answer this. You can certainly answer it for triathlon, but Australia's just won this mixed relay, first time ever they've won it. Jess Hull's obviously a name historically the likes of Deke. How do you think Australia not, not what people would say publicly, not the niceties that they might heap on Australia publicly, but what do you think

\[05:44\] behind closed doors Australia's reputation in the running scene is? Well, that's a tough question. That's a great question. Because we've had stand out athletes over the years. Like I'm sure the peers that raced against Craig Mottram would speak. Well, here's a question. I'll throw the question back at you that might help answer it. There are some very good middle distance Great Britain athletes, women and males at the moment. Do you know them? No.

\[06:15\] There's your answer. OK. Yeah, country bias. Unless you're like #1\. Yeah, because we obviously Australian, Australia, we, we pro sport is such a part of our identity. We put a lot of weight for good or bad into how we perform on the national scale, international scale, sorry, as an as a country and we punch so far above our weight in so many sports, individual and team running.

\[06:49\] I don't know like, and This is why I ask you because you've been closer to that. So it's probably a good question for Benita actually next time we have a. Question for Benita. But I think if you're winning the, if you're the number one country at the cross country, you're going to be recognised as a country. They're going to be like holy, like Australia have just beaten the African nation nations at their own game over the short course. It's almost an unanswerable question, but I wonder Ethiopia, Kenya, in preparation for that race, how worried they were about the Aussie team?

\[07:19\] Well, this is I. I'm not up. I'm not in elite athletics to understand this enough, but that is my question. I wasn't, I mean, I, I said it as a sly remark at the beginning. It's a different event to the cross country. Yeah. I mean, it's cross country. It's a Sprint race. It's bringing in specialists to run a short course. The World Cross Country Championships is raced over long distance, longer distances, right across all of the ages.

\[07:49\] So that's where I suppose the distance focus is. But maybe as a country now you're starting to go, well, that's where we can win our medals. So for funding for all of those benefits, it makes a lot more sense for us to go, hey, we've got a way better chance as a country in Australia to win the mixed relay over, you know, what were the legs? 2K each 2\. K's. Verse as a team event in the under 20 males or the open men or the open females, we've got to have you know, they it's a point system like the collegiate

\[08:21\] system We've well we're going to be challenged to beat the Africans over that event, but we can win this one. So from a country perspective, I'm thinking there's a lot more dedicated focus of where we can win medals as a country that's not individual right. That focus from an individual is going to be a lot different. But from the country perspective, yeah, that's where I think. To that, just to stay with that perception of Australia on the world stage, did Australian, obviously you as an individual were perceived in a certain way by the people you competed

\[08:51\] against. Was there an overall branding of Australian triathletes when back in your day? Or probably a generation before me, they were and. What was the perception of the best? Unbeatable, right? I can't say that was a global view of how I look out for the green and gold well. You never know the gold. You don't know because you never. How do you put yourself well, how do you put yourself in the Europeans, I suppose, and looking back at us because well, and this is an interesting one.

\[09:21\] Here's a This is a controversial thing to say. Stand by. Clip this up. But over, and this is like throughout history, drugs and sport. OK, this is a controversial thing. Yeah, but like in Australia, we're brought up in elite sport a very certain way where you, you know, from a young age, lots of drug testing. You think about drugs in a certain way, you've been brought through the system to you know, you know what's wrong, You don't

\[09:52\] do it. If you get caught, you, you know, you put to the media again a. It's a singular view, yes. When we're doing well but then as Australians we often a very quickly look at international results and go best tainted. Yes. OK, so if you flip the script and Australia are suddenly going great guns in a certain sport, is it too fast fetched to then

\[10:22\] go well you know, I'm over in Eastern Europe and I'm a European country looking at Australia going. Wonder what they're doing? Wonder what they're doing down there. That's so interesting because we have, I've heard, the same scepticism pointed at the Jamaican sprinters, I thought. You were going to say Bob? No, no, no, no, but the Jamaican sprinters and that what it's the kind of that mystique of why does this one club seem to produce all these iconic sprinters?

\[10:52\] We can't ex that's I've never. I So the answer, the reason I say that is the answer is you don't know unless you were so integrated into that world. But I'm sure everyone's got different cultures, everyone's got different, you know, sporting cultures and everything else. The views of different countries or different cultures around the world in your sport are going to be different to each team. Because part of it is, as you just pointed out, how the culture that you are that you grow up in. 100.

\[11:24\] Percent not whether athletics or not it's. Just what you don't know, you wonder. So like, we're probably a lot less sceptical of, say, Brits. Can I like Commonwealth style countries? Yes, yes, yes. But vice versa what? Why wouldn't European countries just be as sceptical back at us? I'd never thought about that. That's a great point. And I think if you're running along and listening to this, think about it, think about and you are, you're lying if you if you say that you don't. There are performances from

\[11:57\] individuals and countries where you go. I don't know if I believe that. Yep, I don't know if I believe that. I don't know, this is just the times, but the one person or the 1 runner that I've seen had, from a public view anyway and from just talking to people had the most respect of the international community was Craig Mottram, Yeah. 100% what do they call him? The and I'm sure Benita had this similar, I just didn't know. Obviously I was a male race like ourselves around like I understood that. But yeah, Craig Mottram was 100%

\[12:27\] respected in his own element in those races for. Sure. What was Craig Moltram's nickname? It was a great one. The big yes, The big something. What was he? Well. It was pretty much, I think, a big white man, but yeah. But it was I can't. Remember what the translation of that is the other way. The big Mizungo is what his nickname was. But like what a great in another world. Let's let's little thought experiment here for Craig Moltram in the current era. If Craig Mottram is tagged

\[13:00\] the big Mazungo, there's a whole branding opportunity there for him in the car. If Craig Mottram is racing now with that nickname, there's a there's a merch line, there's a shoe line, there's a CLO, there's like. If they nicknamed him that now, do you reckon they get? It's like you get cancelled for naming. Nah, it'd still be fine that way. You reckon it'd still be fine? It's still like the Kenyans called him the big Mazungo, which is the big white man. I think it's still fine. We'd still be OK with it that way if Craig did. I don't know.

\[13:31\] Do you know Craig? Yeah, yeah, yes. What's? He like. As a competitor. No, just as a fella. As a person, I mean, I know him well enough that I've, you know, been. Did you? Ever race directly against him in any? No, no. And he was very close to going into triathlon. Oh, was he? Yes. So Craig was a triathlete at I'm now this is going to test me because he's like a little bit younger, like a couple of years younger than me, OK. He was racing triathlon and had to make a decision.

\[14:01\] He was very close to 41st down. Yep, Yep. Whether he goes down the triathlon route or and he went to the running route, obviously the right route because I mean, he's done amazing and race at a high level there, but he was definitely around the triathlon traps. I think he won Australian, like for those parents and who have kids at school level, the Australian schools Championships, OK, I believe Craig won that at 18, OK, they might be talking out. So the talent was over there, but it was definitely up there around there. OK, I'm just having a look. Have you ever have?

\[14:31\] You talking about juniors? I do want to give one shout, sure, because part of my, well, part of the training group, I'm involved here, here on the Gold Coast. Piper Anderson, who is in the under 20s race over there, women's race. And I think, I believe Cam and dad told me she's only 16\. So she's racing under 20s. She's coming in 45th. Oh well, it's. Funny, great effort. Eh, outstanding. So plenty more years in that category. OK, name to remember Piper Anderson. There you go. Just quickly on Craig.

\[15:03\] We'll move on from the big Mizuno. Well, funny enough, that Care Man, as I just talked about, yeah, would erase Craig because he was a Victorian around that age, Yeah. Do you ever run the tan? Yeah. And had a crack at it. No. OK, because Craig Mottram still holds the tan record. Yeah, you see that every time you go. Past at 10:08\. Yep. And how far is the tent? I'm you're asking you're asking you're asking me 1008 sudden questions. 10/08 and the distance is 3.8 KS.

\[15:33\] Yeah, I'm not going to try and do the mass. On that's amazing, that's good running, so well done to Australia. I wonder, just to put a bow on that, we saw when Australian swimming started dominating like they did. I wonder if some of the coaches we start to see, some of those Commonwealth countries start to look at our running coach and coaching programmes and if there's any of that. Well, how many? I mean, a lot of our team are not the top ones at the moment, but so many of our runners are coming out of the States.

\[16:04\] Yeah, they're based in colleague Collegiate system athletes. Can we give a insert a little plug here for the T100? Yeah. 10K. Yeah, Yeah, 10K. It's not, not just a plug we're running. Yeah. You said that today. Oh, OK, You're going to call me on this? Of course I am. Yep. You said you would declare your goal for the T110K. So you said yeah, I'm Bernard and said I might, I might some

\[16:35\] time. Why don't I go Alex Rigby's brother, Tim Rigby? Yeah, he's, he's put, I've got like a target on his back at the moment because he ran quicker than I thought he would in a 5K time trial the other day. And I went, ah, now you've given me motivation. What is What did Tim run 16? No, no, he ran 1550\. So he broke 16\. He's broke 16\. OK, Matt Hauser was pacing him. I asked Matt, did he have a tow rope on? But no, he's he's running a lot. Quicker than that. OK, so he's running sub 16\. I'm not saying I can do that, I'm saying that's my target now,

\[17:07\] so he's given me motivation to go. I've got someone to race. OK. And his team running it, T100, yes, he's going to be out there. Yes. So there's a OK, it's a race. So we've got a match, race on. That's that's the one. And then the other day some have got to be sent it to me. Someone sent me a hybrid athlete. Oh really? Who's run a 10K? Who'd run 32? I can't remember the exact time it was 32\. It was in the 30 twos in that case. And I'm like, oh Jesus, that

\[17:37\] that's a that's a good one. We've got to. OK, so you've got this unnamed hybrid who's breaking 33\. Yep. Let's go back to Tim for a moment. If Tim's running sub 16 for the five, let's say he's probably going to break that 33 mark again for the 10\. Oh yeah, OK. Oh yeah, confident. How do you approach the match race? Let's say no, no, no. I'm genuinely curious because let's say because there will be people going in this T105K races park runs 10 KS, whatever it

\[18:09\] might be. We encourage everybody to get involved with this T100 race here on the Gold Coast if they can and make sure you're a part of the in the beginning team a match race. Would you? Would you start next to team? It excites me a lot more than a time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it excites me more than a time well, because. Straight away, you know how I talk about the marathon and I'm always missing out because there's a group of guys and they all race each other, my brother and doctor Ben and they all every year there's like four or five guys and they're racing

\[18:42\] well, I don't really have anyone that I was, you know, sure, like a little group of who are, you know, similar to race against. Well, I'm sure there's going to be more as we go, but at least. You've got this unnamed Hyatt bred fella for a time, but talk to me about Tim. Would you go? Would you take to the start line with him? Yeah, I'm going to tag him this. Is what I want to get to right? So are you going now? I'm just going to, I'm going to be, I'm, I'm actually going to avoid seeing him all together. This is going to get back. To no, this is good.

\[19:12\] This is good. I hope it does. So are you? Do you want to see him or do you want to? Avoid him. No, no, I see. Him. You want to see him, You want to stand next to him. Well, yeah, 100% I'm going to go and race, pick a, pick a race, OK, I'm not saying and then. So and then how do you, how do you approach it because team well. It depends if I can run that quick yet. Let's assume you're you get to race. Assume you're having a match race. And you are ready to go from a you believe that you have the

\[19:44\] same pace that team has in you. So let's just take anyone in this perspective. If you're racing someone and you think they've got the upper hand, the only thing to do is sit on them. You sit. OK, yeah, it's a it's a bit of a dog move, but you'd sit. Right. Till when? Well, if you think they've got the upper hand, it's more like you're sitting just kind of work out whether you've got the chops to be able to do this. Yep, If you don't, you're going to drop off. But if you if you suddenly start

\[20:15\] thinking, OK, now that you know I'm in the race, then you start halfway 3/4\. What's going on? But Liam, 10K is a long, long, long way. To be in a match race. To be in a match, be on the hip of someone. If you're asking me right today, it's probably you've just started making me nervous because my brains gone. Oh God I love this 10K. I've got to worry about 5 getting through 5K yet. T100 triathlon.com/goldcoast You can find the links to register

\[20:46\] for this 10 kilometre. Race that didn't get excited. To race. That got me excited about your race. Now if any everybody out there fancies themselves to be somewhere in the 40 to 45 minute window, that's where I'm going to be about running. I'd love, I'd love someone in the match, I'd love Liam. That's Liam's asking for someone. If someone wants to race me, if here you go, Courtney's got his super fast match race against his mate Tim. If someone out there wants to race me directly and if you can run a 35 minute, I don't want to hear from you.

\[21:17\] OK, I don't. But if you are somewhere in that 40 to 45 minute window, send message. Challenge. DMS send me a challenge and I will line up on the start line with you and we'll Matt trace it up at the T100\. And he was asking, he wants, he wants someone to Matt trace him. I need a hair to chase. I like that. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. That's T100\. It's. Getting close, It's getting closer. How is how was your week of running since we last chatted? Have you? What have you been up to?

\[21:48\] I'm just trying to think when we chatting when did we chat? On the other week. How do I go on camping? Yet I can't remember. Oh, I saw a video of you actually. Let's talk about this. This fart like out in the Bush. Yeah, that was on the weekend, but I'm thinking before that. Who's filming these videos of you, by the way? Have you got Leo Young filler out there with the camera? Hey. Influence influences, secrets, influences. No, it's it's it's called a drone.

\[22:19\] Are you using a drone? I don't, I don't have I don't have the money or people to be out there filming me, Liam. Plus, I'm in the middle of the Bush and that one comes out there. See, let's peel something back here for everybody these influences, right? I don't I don't have a drone on the. Occasion I know most of the influencers have a person. Yeah, I'm saying I can't afford a. Person no and these people have person. Let me, I have maybe done this twice, right? I thought I'll get some footage of myself running. What you have to do if you don't have a person or a drone is

\[22:50\] honestly you go and put, set your camera up, you press record, you go back 100 metres and you run past. It's not a real efficient way to run and. Get your camera then you go and put it in. It is the most pain in the ass process and for what? Yeah, hey, it's a pain in the arse process with a drone as well. The reason it looks cool. It looks cool. The reason I had it, well, the reason where I was doing it. So I was out West of Warwick on

\[23:22\] the weekend when I had the drone and I was mucking around doing that, like running. Full disclosure, I was actually out. I was stopping and starting anyway because I was clearing the tracks for the oh, we were riding motorbikes. You were doing that, Yeah. The rest of the day and we hadn't been, we hadn't really ridden across the tracks yet. So I was literally out there kicking sticks and rocks and just double checking what was under the grass and that type of thing. So I had the ability to be able to stop when I went running the next time. I wasn't filming, I was running.

\[23:52\] Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. I think that's that's that's what I'm just trying to think of. The climber who said this. Yeah, one of the best climbers in the world. Yeah. And he said didn't, doesn't really understand the need to fill them. And I do understand the need to fill them for people who are making money out of it, I suppose to a degree. I don't know where you are. I don't know. We're going well. That's. But it doesn't make for good a good session when you're

\[24:23\] filming. Well, who did free solo? Well, that's what I've got in here. What's that? Do you want to jump around this much? Let's jump around. Let's jump around. We'll come back to my out on the property. The reason I bring up free solo because. It was Alex Holland. OK, he that he because it is El Cap. Is that the one he climbed? He had to do it twice because they needed to get. Are you sure I'm? Pretty sure he did that twice so they could get more B roll

\[24:55\] certain camera angles. All right, you might have seen Were you? OK, we'll go. Funny enough, I had him in my notes today because don't know what? Do you know what his next project is? What we He obviously haven't read the notes. No, I haven't read. Yeah, he's got a lot. He's doing a free solo but up a building live on Netflix. Oh, this makes me. Nervous. So that's in feet. Come on people, 1600 feet, 1000 metres high.

\[25:26\] Thank God that was 1600\. That's the that's how high it is. 101 floors, two hours, no ropes. Alex Holland's most daring climb is happening live on Netflix on the 23rd of January in Taipei. Oh, so that's yeah, like next week, OK. Yeah, it's way out in the notes. What's the building called, do you know? It's well, the project name is skyscraper live. He's going to free solo Taipei one O 1.

\[25:56\] I'm assuming that's oh. That is the building, Taipei one O 1\. OK. Yeah, I'm just looking up the building. Oh, sorry, it's in Taiwan, the building the. Building's called Taipei one O 1 OK. 2 hour live event on Netflix. First ever. No ropes going up the building. What do you what do you? I had it in the notes to say. What do you reckon about this? We just talked. Whenever we talked, I was talking about that climber who wasn't feeling me, wasn't filming, but died of El Cap. Someone randomly got him on the

\[26:27\] camera. This makes me, I've got to be honest, it makes me feel a little bit. I'll like I feel a little bit of a pain in my stomach. You want to watch? Absolutely. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I feel that if this is live all my and I guess this is what Netflix wants, all my brain does is go, what if something goes wrong? Yeah, I don't like, I don't want to see that.

\[27:00\] I've always said in these sports and the chance of something going wrong is always going to be there, but these guys are highly skilled, trained everything else, just like jumping across bikes, across gaps. This feels like there was this, there was the this phenomenon that happened, I want to say six or seven years ago. It was probably longer ago than that. Have you heard of slow TV? Slow television? No. There's this phenomenon that happened with it kind of coincided or, or we came off the back of remember when our attention span suddenly went to

\[27:30\] minute, right? All of a sudden, TikTok and everything just turned our attention spans into this nanosecond type situation. There was this thing called slow TV, which genre it's I'm looking up now for the definition of it. It came out of Norway, which is a genre of marathon television coverage of an ordinary event in its complete length. And it came out of popularised out of Norway, which began broadcasting a 7 hour train journey. So it's just a train going along for seven hours.

\[28:03\] There's been other versions of this, which is a cruise ship and it's just an ordinary thing. Hiking to it. For a very long time, this Alex Honnold thing, two hours of him climbing up, feels like a kind of shortened, exciting version of slow TV. Yeah, I mean, there's some really interesting when you talk about slow TV, you know, you've got me thinking, have you seen on YouTube the the Japanese celery man? I think that's his huge. Name Japanese celery man the. Japanese celery man Oh.

\[28:35\] Celery. Sorry. I'm not eating celery like celery like you pay Oh celery, it's the same thing. I want to watch celery. Celery. I want to watch the Japanese celery man. Yeah, you're thinking of going eating. No, he literally shows he's the day in the life of a of a corporate worker in the middle of Tokyo, copical with you just being in Japan. And he gets up in the morning just, you know, shows him at what time it is at making his food and OK in a little tiny stuff like that. And he just does his whole.

\[29:06\] Day. Yeah. Oh, there's. Something gives millions of views slow. TV is a it's a it's almost meditative, like it's almost like a form of meditation just sitting there and watching that. And it doesn't you don't have to think. It's just background noise to it. Anyway, getting back to what Alex climbing up this tower this is I will watch it. I will feel anxious for the two hours and I will be crossing everything that he gets to the is the. Question, would you let your kids watch it? My daughter, yes. My son, no.

\[29:38\] My son, you. Don't want idea. I don't want my son silly enough to think I can do that. Yeah. So generally the 23rd, it's going to be on if you want to. I will be going and check that out for anyone listening in now. Quickly while we're talking viewership and TV based things, OK, sorry, we're going to get back to your running, but this is a nice don't worry, I've got pinned, we're coming. I don't. Worry about my running I'm there's some other things here. The we talked about running products being popular as audience things, right marathon. We've talked a lot about how

\[30:10\] it's more about people participating, less interested in the winning and all the rest of that. And as you pointed out, I've just been in Japan. Are you aware, you know, about the, for people that might not be aware of the echidon format of racing? Can you talk us a little bit about echidon racing and it's and the history of it or, or why it's not? I'm not going to put you on the spot and I can't talk. About the history of it, but it's collision athletes racing relay format over but there's long distance relay format so some of the legs can be up to 20 K.

\[30:41\] It's all from my understanding. It's all Rd base, at least the major ones. Yep, but this is from my understanding and in Fact Check me on this. I believe it is one of the most watched. Events in Japan, That's what exactly I want to get to. So the Hakone Echidan relay? Yep, just happened 4-5 days ago in Japan. For a bit of context, what would you say the most watched Australian athletic event? Is it mean running? Yep.

\[31:12\] Stall gift. Stall gift. OK, the viewership, right. Stall gift from 2025\. It was a record breaking year Yeah. 1.5 million people watched the stall gift weekend. It's good numbers Yeah, right. You break that down, it works out to be about. 1.5\. Yeah, 1.5 million channel, Channel 7, seven and 7:00 and 7:00\. Plus, yeah, right. That's actually surprising numbers to me. I wouldn't have thought it was that high, but. So that's 5% of the Australian population.

\[31:42\] Yeah, OK. Extrapolated out right, Japan. Yeah, yeah. 56.217 million TV viewers. And how many do they say the lie spectators? Because I think that's what's impressive. Day one. Oh, it doesn't say how many people turned up to the event. This, this is the what's impressive because that whole course is like 20 K legs and it's a little bit like this, isn't it? Tour de France. That's the best way to explain. That's the best way to explain it they all.

\[32:12\] Wherever they're running, everyone comes out, everyone knows it's on, and they all come out and cheer and. I'm, I'm just talking TV audience there. That is equivalent to 45% of the Japanese population tuned in to watch this race. So one in two, one in two people in Japan watch this event on television. That is incredible. And I think I was thinking about it. It's. Slow it's slow. TV it's. Slow TV, right, because this is a 2 day event so it's a long thing. But I was thinking about it

\[32:43\] because we've talked about how do you make particularly off the back of the Sydney marathon last year, how do you make a marathon broadcast more interesting? And I think there's some lessons obviously with the Japan echidon relay here is that part of it is to go back to what we're just talking about with how countries are perceived internationally. Part of it is culture, part of it is, is a history of running. This echidim relay in Japan is was created in 1917\. So you've got over 100 years of history.

\[33:15\] You can't manufacture that. OK, so that's one part of it. But it does also show that it's not that the running's boring. Like, it's not that you can't. The argument that running's not fun to watch is disproven by these numbers. 56 million people is proof that this does hold appeal. I, I, I can't get around any more than is a Tour de France of it's just Tour de France in Japan.

\[33:45\] It's their chosen history of sport to follow. And yeah, I get the crap. Yeah, I just looked up. They just say millions of people come out to watch, but you just always see the crowds lined on the road. I wonder, because I'm assuming, I just wonder how much tourism they do put into it because like the tour now is just a tourism driven, you know, you come through this town, you do, you know, the, the towns pay to host the start, the finish, the route goes through certain areas. They're talking about all the

\[34:16\] different things you see out there from the helicopter views. Wonder if it's if this has got to do with that or they just keep it. It's Japan and they just keep it pure. They're just talking. Yeah, hours and hours and running. Again, I'd love to go back and I might try and look and see if I can find a coverage of it. Probably would Polish up on your Japanese. I'm assuming there's no English. Anyway, OK, very cool. I'm going and taking the pin and coming all the way back to we're talking about you running around in the Bush. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's right. We're talking about the drones and all that. So I was out. Yeah. The main reason we're out

\[34:47\] there is I've been like my whole last week. I've been like BC effing. Boating, camping, fishing. Without the fishing, I'm not a big Fisher. Hunting. Can we say BBCHCH ING? Yeah, but I was out cleaning the like, we're just checking the tracks. One of my biggest fears, because it's happened to me before is like scooting along in the Bush on the motorbike and it's a massive log of rock or whatever it is and I'm back, head over and back to square 1 again with my running right. But you know where I was going

\[35:20\] with this is something unexpected happened on the weekend that I've realised the gym work I've been doing. Oh, here we go. I've been doing it. The purpose of me going back to the gym has been to try and rectify my running to get to a standard again where I can just get back to and being uninjured, not worrying about, you know, and getting back to a standard and running that I'm happy with and that's why I went back to the gym. Yep, what I realised on the weekend, the biggest benefits in

\[35:50\] the gym have come back in just normal life and mobility. I didn't realise how weak I was kick starting a motorbike. I suddenly every first go every time. Yeah, I haven't got an electric start on my bike. So every time on the weights in the gym I've been amazing.

\[36:21\] And like, normally I'd ride, you know, we'd go out and ride a couple of hours at a time a few times a day. By the end of the day, I can hardly stand the bike and kick it 'cause I'm rooted. No trouble. Like for jumping off the back of the tray onto the ground. Just like doing drop jumps. Bang. No calf issues, no nothing. I'm a new. I'm a new man, Liam. Do you know funny you should mention that in my head as you were describing that, I'm just imagining you doing a an influencer style reel where you

\[36:51\] are doing showing gym exercises for motorbike riders. It's like a, it's like a weighted kickstart. A weighted kickstart? No, this is lifty. Like this is all being from like pure running exercises and the benefits I've got. That's great. Core, even just riding the bike, standing up on the bike, the core. Hey, I'm no Toby Price no or Chucky here, but there was a big difference and it's all come from the gym so I'm cheering. That's good longevity things

\[37:21\] here, Liam. Not to that extent. I was away camping the other day, packing the car, and the seats fall down in the back of the seven seater, but I have to move my son's car seat over and you have to unhook it. For anybody who's got car seats you know you have, and same thing, the leg strength stuff, the car phrases and the squats and everything. Jumping into the back of the seven seater. Easy, easy, much easier. I If, if, if this was last year and I got up on the back of the

\[37:52\] tray to get to the fridge and I would have to like nearly, you know when you know, when you see an old person reverse and have to climb down the ladder backwards. That was me. Now I'm just like a, I'm like a hybrid athlete, Liam, just. Jump straight on no. Land off. Gone. Hybrid athlete. I know what's going to happen, Courtney. We're going to end up enrolling in HYROX. It's on the way now, right? Talking about things that happened on the weekend. For those that haven't seen the reel, you've talked about your

\[38:22\] favourite shoes. You shared that great insight into the three trail shoes you've been running in. I have been running in the Salomon S Lab. What are they called? No, not the S labs. Ultra glides. The ultra glides. Thank you. I was running in the Salomon ultra glides. I was running again in on the weekend. I was also last EP. I was raving about the Salomon ACS. Yep, as the best shoe. Yep, and then you're talking about. Brooke Because I was cruising around Tokyo walking. Oh yes, and just about how they

\[38:54\] do not at no point throughout Japan. I've got them here. Oh, here we go. I've still got them. I wear them. I wear them everywhere. William St Review this. Week these shoes I stand by if you are going walking on a walking holiday, they're a nice shoe, the greatest shoe. Do you know where they're not very popular? The polo now little story here for everybody. It's running adjacent James Tobin. You might know him from Sunrise. Courtney, you obviously know JT.

\[39:26\] I'm mate to the JTJT sends me a message last weekend and says mate, I'm on the Gold Coast, what are you up to? And I was at my kids Nippers and I said mate, I'm just at nippers. He's like, have you got time to catch up this afternoon? I said I'd love to. He said this is the important part. No, no, no, he didn't say come to the pole. Like he said, why don't we go for a beer at Doug Jennings Park, which is the top of the spit. Yeah. Now in my head I know the Magic Millions Carnival is on and I'm like, what? What's on at Doug Jennings Park? And I figured there was some

\[39:59\] event that he'd been invited to as working for Channel 7, so I put a buttoned up shirt on right over what I'm wearing. I'm still in my Salomon AC SS. I'm in a pair of LSKD shorts. Yep. And I put a buttoned up shirt on. Is that right? Athlete wear down the bottom? Yep, party up the top. I was wardrobe shamed, shoe shamed oh by that many strangers at the poll, people I did not know asking me are you going for

\[40:29\] a run? Oh. Really. What? And in their defence, they were dressed up. This was a very. Even young crew there are gonna be in like high heels. JT and whacked me, put some media wristband on me and took me into a marquee where it was Zara Phillips and Mike Tindall and all the Hamish McLaughlin and all the high flies of the polo and racing world, only stitched. You up? And I'm there in these Salomon shoes and LSKD Shore.

\[41:00\] It was awkward. It was embarrassing. I was, I had, I literally had, I actually bumped into the big boss, the Gold Coast Marathon, Ben Mannion, who was dressed appropriately, but. So what? So what summertime? Because it's bloody hot on the weekend? Yep. What is appropriate dress at Gold Coast polo? We're not talking fans. Loafers. What, like boat shoe? Yep. I needed to have loafers, tailored shorts. The shirt was OK, so shorts. They were wearing. Yeah, they were wearing tailored shirts, but I had one woman grab

\[41:31\] the shorts and go. What are these? It was I was a runner out of water. I was a fish out of water at this polo. If you would have been there, probably, I think it was like 2 to 3 weeks ago, I saw the setup and there was a festival on there. You would have been in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just have taken the shirt off and you were like, there we go. I would have been sweet. Just three weeks. But suffice to say I've learnt my lesson so if I ever, and as I said to them at the time, and this probably didn't help my cause, but I said I don't spend much time around horse people.

\[42:02\] OK, I don't know what I meant to wear, but apparently what I was wearing was not passing. Master told me it was a polo anyway. This is where I turned, and this is the most this is what made it all the more unbearable is that James Tobin getting recognised left run centre as he should, was wearing what I thought resembled a picnic table rug. Like that's what his shirt looked like to me. He was getting compliments on it again as I was copying shoe shame from people. JT's going, oh, I love your

\[42:32\] shirt. Everyone was saying it to him, so much so that one gentleman who James did not know said got struck up a conversation with James because of his shirt. James said, Oh yeah, I've got to fly back to Newcastle tonight. This gentleman said, who are you flying with? He said Jetstar. This gentleman, who James is known for less than 20 minutes, then called a friend of his who worked at Jetstar and got James' seat moved to 1C. There you got. Him moved into row one because of this shirt. That's good, but I thought you

\[43:02\] were going somewhere completely different. I thought. I thought it was like I met this guy and then he was on the private plane. On you guys yeah. No, there's some serious money in horses, though. That's the other thing I. Learned there that's Yeah. I'm glad you were. You were there. Yeah, you would not have enjoyed it. No, we're not your. People I don't have somebody I. They were not my Do you own them? No, I don't. I don't Literally I joke about wearing these shoes. They're the nicest shoes they own. I really need to upgrade the wardrobe if I'm going to be hobnobbing with these people. Anyway, shoe shamed at the polo.

\[43:34\] So the Salomon ACS great for walking the streets of Tokyo running wise, not great for. Good run, good running. Polo, I had a really nice trail longie on Sunday morning, found some good elevation, actually went further out on the border trail than I've been for quite some time. OK, great border trail on the Saturday Sunday morning. Sorry, just a vibe. There's so many people out and about. It's great. Lots of people with their packs on heading out for long runs. I did only like distance wise it was 18 1/2 K or thereabouts, but

\[44:08\] time wise it's probably it's the longest I've been on my feet for well for a very long time probably since I did GTA50I was out there for 2 1/2 hours, got 800 metres of elevation in on the run. So I got a lot of elevation in lot of power hiking. I actually, I was a bit under the weather on Saturday and so I wasn't quite sure how I was going to feel Sunday morning, but it's and I felt quite sluggish and lethargic actually. Here's a tip for young players if you're planning on a long run that you're going to wear a pack for, check your water bottles the day before.

\[44:42\] Because I because I woke up Sunday morning, filled up my holders. Both of them had splits in them, water just going everywhere throughout the kitchen really. My son's been playing with the. Woman once, yeah. Yeah, my son's been playing with. Them I've never had a. Yeah, so I went and got the camelback and the two litre camelback and that's so much harder to run. With Oh yeah, it's not nice. It's hard to run with not nice. So I've got to go. I've got to grab some more water bottles so I can replace them because just. Flasks. Flasks. Thank you.

\[45:13\] Flasks. Yeah, the flasks after running that run with the and I reckon that's why I was so sluggish and heavy at the start because the water once you put 2 litres in the back of that thing. Well, it's on your back too. It's never. But it's also it's mandatory gear for the mylar. You have to have the a camelback capable of holding 2 litres of water is one of the mandatory pieces of equipment. Yeah, you've got to have capable, but that doesn't mean you have to fill in with it. That means you can still you can have the camelback, put something in there and then still run with flasks on the

\[45:43\] front if you want to carry more at the front. Anyway, biggest coming off the biggest week of running I've had for a very long time, 60 KS. I had about 1300 elevation over those 60 KS and and most importantly, Monday or coming into the new week felt great. So there's no good like off a big week and I'll and I'll build again this week. I'm being smart and sensible about it. But yeah, feeling good. Amazing. Yeah. My running, well, nothing really much, just fart like, yeah, fart like fart like bitter running

\[46:13\] went in the Bush a bit like when I say the Bush, that the actual trails out here. I ran out here and rang at one time and then, yeah, I mean, I enjoy my week a lot when I'm running because I was just out outdoors the whole time. But it brings me when I'm talking about running, it brings me to something we've discussed of where Strava is going. This was on last week's episode. We had a with The prediction I asked you to make was would the Strava experience improve, get worse, or stay the same? Well. Funny enough, one week later open up Strava and new feature.

\[46:47\] Yes. Called Instant Workouts. So if you're not a premium subscriber to Strava, you won't have seen these. But for anybody that does have them, you will have noticed that Strava is now suggesting workouts. It is, so let's have a look and put it to the test because I'm assuming this has come from the runner. Runner Act, which they purchased last year. Acquisition or whatever else it is now, it gives you 4 options. You got you maintain, you build, you explore or you recover. Now on in a race situation

\[47:17\] coming up. So I'm on a build and I looked up. So what am I going to do? It said to me, go a little longer or faster than usual of what I've been doing. So the first thing that came up was a threshold distance run. I'm like, yeah, tempo 1200s was the next one. Here's here's an interesting session we got trailing threw me a trail endurance ride. It even picks up my mountain biking. OK, so I haven't ridden my mountain bike in a in a fair

\[47:47\] while. Yep, but it's giving me a your mountain biking appears infrequently in your routine. We want to make that more frequent. Use this ride to build endurance and explore varied terrain and yeah, so like I mean, it's hey, even a bit of swimming thrown in there endurance pay insurance pace builder. But let's go back Actually the easiest one threshold distance run. OK. It's suggested. So like to give everyone context, I run a couple of longer runs on a Sunday pretty casually at about 90 minutes, a bit over 20 minutes worth of

\[48:21\] fart like here and there and then some easy runs. So that's where I'm at the moment and it's gone. OK, you want to build, here's a threshold distance run A15K. Push your running fitness with a challenging threshold. Long sustained efforts. Build a pace. Now this is what the instructions are. 2000 metres easy pace and insurance between 3:46 and 4:23\. There's no way I'm warming up at that pace.

\[48:51\] OK, so the warm up's too fast. Is it jump into the first into the 1st 2K? Even if I jumped in at the speed with the Gold Coast Runco Elite guys, I don't think we're getting through the 1st 2K in under four 20s. OK, it's and especially. Yeah, that's what it says. So the. Warm up's too quick. 1000 build, yeah, then they want you to get into 1000 build tempo at the end of that warm up into 320\. So this is like straight into heart rate, like zoned in, you've got to be on the ball

\[49:21\] here. Mindset Alactic threshold block jumps straight into 10,000 metres at threshold of 310 to 323 pace. I can't do that, not right now. I cannot do this. This is ridiculous. Like I'm sorry, if this is where AI, if that's what AI is going to start suggesting to people for sessions you're going to break if I attempted that right now, one, I can't run that pace.

\[49:52\] It's it's asking at this right today and two, I'm getting injured myself. I just it's not even enough. So now this presume disappointed without knowing how the how it all works. All I can apply is my logic to that, which is that the algorithm, whatever it is, the piece of tech, whatever it is, yeah, has taken your data, combined it with whatever the background running information

\[50:22\] that it has and that's what it's spat out. So if and you are, I would say fairly diligent in updating your Strava. Like, it's not like you're hiding information from. Them no, no, no, OK. I would everything I would. The only thing I would hide like I've said in the past is sometimes if I've just run really easy for 5K or something OK. But if that if it's that far off providing you with a

\[50:53\] session, have they gone too early on providing this like? Well, I mean people use that runner up and I'm really like. Bullish about it. I got a friend asking me the other day saying should I use the runner? Up so that was let's just that was the build. So that was me going on a build. OK, this is maintained. So keep stick to your current effort. So it was saying you're going to go up a level. Here's a progressive run. It's going to tell me. So it's saying 11 K, 4K shorter, 2K warm up at conversational pace, no faster than recovery. Yep, they're saying go slower

\[51:26\] than that 423\. So it's OK. I can see now what's happening. OK. It, it believes I'm, I'm thinking it's my A2 zone like it believes I've obviously got a threshold pace to be into recovery AT423423\. If I went out and just ran 4/23 at the moment, I can do it. Of course you can. But you're going to be running. It's not, that's not warm up jogging to me. No main set is.

\[51:56\] It's giving me an 8 kilometre main set still 2K at endurance, 2K at tempo, 2K at tempo, 2K at tempo. It doesn't say whether you've got you get a break in between that, which is interesting as well. So it's saying 32 KS at tempo. That's really interesting too, maybe as you go through, because the next thing it says is let's go. It takes you through that session on the phone. All right, well, maybe. OK, so here's. So maybe we've got to test. It so maybe this is step next step aside from just looking at

\[52:27\] the cover. And then it gives a suggested route it. Does give a suggested route. Look, the difficult thing for Strava with anything now is because it's so big and so widespread, they can't it's the difficulty the challenge they've got is introducing things that are untested and unproven right. So they've got to try and bring these things to the broader Strava community without necessarily knowing how it's going to work for the average

\[52:57\] runner. So I look, I admire them for trying to introduce something new. And this is, this is actually what we talked about the other day, which is we feel like the evolution of Strabert should be able to start recognising the types of training that you're doing and building on that. The other scenario is under soft well and it's going hey, look off your data and what you're running. Do you know what we should do this? Should be your progression. No, no, no, no. What we should do once we get

\[53:28\] into the Gold Coast Marathon window with Benita is once Bonita starts talking through some sessions of yours, then compare and you're obviously uploading all that data to Strava as well, then see what Strava is spitting out for you by comparison. Yeah, that would be that. Personalization versus OK, we can do some comparisons. There's something there quickly. I need to check something with you around running advice because I am always I will give runner encouragement every day of the week.

\[53:59\] I am reluctant to provide specific running advice because I am not qualified. I love running and so I will pump people up and encourage them to get out there and run and encourage them to try and choose and all the generic stuff. Specific advice, not so much. Tell me if I've said the wrong thing here. My hairdresser, my bar, my Barber. Barber Sammy great fellow in fact cuts hair at the two times #1 Barber hairdresser on the Gold Coast Backbone in Karaman there last two years as voted by. In the industrial area. It is as voted by the Gold Coast

\[54:31\] Bully. Sammy's gotten into running and he's really enjoying it. And he started running a bit in the trails as well. Yeah, beautiful. Now he, for Christmas, got a pair of Hawker. What's the Hawker Trail? Shoe Trail. Shoe. It's a brand I don't know too much about, man. I can't remember what shoe. Oh, speed goats. He got a pair of the Hawker speed goats for Christmas. Now his wife got them for him. He's throwing them on and he really enjoys it.

\[55:02\] He said to me should I be running? Should I not run on the roads with these? And what I said just because I was in the chair and we were chatting, the advice I gave is like, oh, you can still run on the road in these. Absolutely shoes. It's not necessarily about not being able to run on the roads in them. The shoes will have a certain kilometre life of them in that if you run in the trails or if you run on the road, you're going to wear through the lugs,

\[55:34\] yes, right. So if you run on the road, you'll probably wear through the lugs faster. More. Aggressively because of the concrete and the pavement and everything else you're running on, but it doesn't mean you can't run on the roads in these shoes. A. 100% then vice versa. Rd Trail Rd. Yeah, you can. I have an all round. Shoe great. So I didn't I, I, I didn't misstep there. No, I like, I can tell a story my SO I'm just going to think of the year post London Olympics. I had AI, had a period, I can't

\[56:06\] remember what years I were. I had a period where I went and tried to raise Iron Man a little bit. And the step before that was I raced a shit load of half. So in a two year period, I think I raced maybe 13 half Iron Man's and I had a really good strike rate. I think I was like I'd either win or pretty much DNF. And I think in that period I probably had a three quarter win rate like it was. Yeah, I've raced half. I mean it's pretty decent. Majority of those were one in a trail shoe. What trail shoe?

\[56:37\] It was, it was a Nike, so it was before the It's a Night Kiger. It was the original Night Kiger and the reason I liked them. I liked them for the halves is it had 4 foot air so not many of the Nikes at that stage. This is pre super shoes had the air pocket in the front and these did. So getting into the half marathon I just loved them. So I literally was running all those half iron Man's in a trail ship trail. But they worked for you. They. Worked, yeah. It was my favourite shooter running and I won a lot of races

\[57:08\] and I'm talking about some of those races I was running down 70 minute, sub 70 minute half marathons. Running good times and. They work fine so there you go. Like I don't this whole idea of do what works for you, do what works for you. And if you find a shoe like when I talked about those 3 shoes last week, that's why I'll always leave it open. Like what I like in a shoe someone else is gonna hate and vice versa. Something that doesn't work for me could really work for someone

\[57:40\] else. So you gotta go and try them. But in saying that, there's always, I think there's also always a through line issues that is a generalisation of what type it is. And that can be more like has a lot of stability. They're a hard shoe. It can be a new like if you like, you'll know whether you like kind of neutral running shoes. Yeah. And generally there'll be a, a certain shoes in certain ranges that you like if you're a neutral runner and then vice versa. Or if you, yeah, some people can just get around, get around an

\[58:10\] issue and they get away with it. Can make it work. All right there you go. I didn't lead you down the wrong path quickly. Sammy made another point which was interesting. A friend of his is he because Sam's just getting into the trail running scene and we had that email come through late last year from a fella who was trying to get into trail running. Sam made a really good point about or his friend made the point about trail running, which I loved hearing and it was so. And for me, I who just went on the weekend and did this 18 1/2 K, 800 metres elevation, average pace of eight minute K is right.

\[58:43\] Sam's friend was saying that what he loves about, and it's an interesting differentiation. If you ask someone, if someone tells you they'd just run a marathon or a half marathon or a 10K, what do we invariably ask? What time did you run? If someone goes out and runs a 50K. How far did you run? It we don't time is irrelevant. Time becomes, and this arcs back to a for a moment very early on in this podcast that your body understands time, not distance

\[59:15\] or speed, whatever it was, or kilometres, not speed, but that idea of that very distinct separation between road and trail. If you've someone, if you run, go and tell someone you ran 1/2 marathon, a 10K5K, they'll ask how fast you went. Go and tell someone you completed a trail race and the time factor disappears. Yeah, it's irrelevant. Because there's no, there's no benchmark. Yeah, because each race is

\[59:45\] different, right. So then you actually, I'm going to try to love you. Probably. Yeah. Because so the, the correct question would be the quick question to compare would be like, what time did you run in the marathon? What place did you come? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the in the trail race. But you don't really ask that. It's just like what distance did you do? Because there's normally different. So what I would? Standardise kind of distances. What I would say to anybody out there off the back of that quickly though, is that if you are finding, if you and look, if

\[01:00:20\] you're getting overwhelmed by people asking about how fast you're running, tell them to go jump. Also, if you're looking for a reprieve from it, go hit the trail. Go hit the trail. But if you ask me, if I went into rang and ran any other loop except the 17 K loop, which we call it the 17 K loop, but to be honest, it could be 16.6, it could be 17.4\. Like everyone's GPS is completely different. Yeah, we just average it at 17 K so. But other than that, if I went into the singles and ran, I

\[01:00:51\] neither like I have a estimated time I want to run for like I go, oh, we want to do a 90 minute run or a two hour run. Yeah, we might come out at 2:05\. Sometimes I stuff it up and come out at 150\. Yeah, I most of the time wouldn't even look at how far we run. Yeah, exactly. It's irrelevant. Before we finish up, have you got anything else you want to get to? Because I've got a finishing up point if you want. Yeah, I do subscribe. We. Like this is a good point. If you are to this point of the podcast episode today and you

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\[01:01:54\] up. We want to give a shout out to friend of the show Jelly Roll, who achieved his goal of becoming the cover model for Men's Health. That's right. Yeah, I saw this. He Jelly roll made the front cover of Men's Health. 275 lbs down and still going. Yeah, that's amazing 2\. 175 for those playing along, 125 kilos he's lost. US. Yeah, he's lost me and Courtney

\[01:02:24\] combined basically. But yeah, an amazing effort. And if you haven't heard the Jelly Roll app jump on YouTube, you can watch the whole thing there. Yep, an incredible experience. And this is a guy who just champions health and running and he's and he's, he's been down a dark path with it all and he's and he's now a part of our world. Yep. He thanked us for being a part of it. Different way to finish Lynn, What are you up to this week? This week back into the radio grind now excited to be back on

\[01:02:54\] air 4/20/26\. Lots of fun stuff on the way. What? I'm just back into the radio grind. Really. Kids are back into activities. My son's going to be starting school soon. I'm going to have two kids at school. You know what that's like? And, and trying to get out there and, and keep the kilometres climbing. What about you? OK. Random got a call going to sail GP in Perth. Oh, this is the. It's the we've talked about the. Big old Hugh Jackman and Ryan

\[01:03:27\] Reynolds bought into it, yes. Yep, Yep, Yep. The foils, they're a big foil. Yeah. Sailing. Where's that happening? It's in Freeman, you know. Over the West. The wild West. Yeah, the wild, Wild West, the last minute type thing. So I'm interested because it's a sport I haven't been around. I mean, I, I kind of took an interest in it when Kai Hurst is was doing his America's Cup bit. But other than that. Kai on I haven't really done too much, so we should get Kai on the bot. I think Kai'd be an interesting

\[01:03:57\] fellow to chat to. Tell you what, just sorry, while you mentioned Kai Hearst, my mind's jumped to it. I think Iron Man and Iron Women racing the Iron Series is, I think it's coming back. Did you watch it on the? Weekend. Yeah, I did. Maroubra turned up great conditions. It you know, this is when the surf. It's great, Yeah. When there's no surf. When it's flat water, you're right, it's less entertaining. But Ethan Callahan, this 19 year old young fella, equal with

\[01:04:29\] points with Ali Day going into the final back here on the Gold Coast. It's it's do you know what I loved? Actually, you'll appreciate this growing up as a nipper here on the Coast. So my kids are at Karaman and CJ Brennan is sitting in 3rd coming into the fight. He's a 21 year old, but he's a Krumman competitor. And my daughter in particular, like she was really cheering him on, well, because he's from the club, because she's harder. He's from the club, he's from the club. And I don't. He's from the. Club, you think about that in

\[01:04:59\] any other sport it's probably there as. You're club loyal for sure. Yeah, because, but even at the I'm trying to think now, it definitely isn't there in AFL, right, Because none of those AFL or NRL clubs have a club that you're part of is under 9\. Yeah, you're not playing broad age cats and then? Suddenly soccer. So the football codes are out. The surfers might to be part of a Board Riders club, but when Ethan Ewing surfs on the WSL, he's not surfing for his Board riders club, right? He's surfing under the

\[01:05:29\] Australian flag, not the, you know, strategy. I'm just trying to think. But the Iron Series is unique in that Ali Dae competes as a Surfers Paradise. I mean swimming. Swimming's like. That not at the elite level, not at the pointiest end at the Olympics. They don't compete for their club, they compete for their country. True, but at national titles they would compete for their club. Do they or do they compete for their state? No club. Okay, I'm gonna call club. All right. But yeah, anyway, it was just a very cool moment. But watching my daughter cheer on.

\[01:06:00\] I know the loyalty of surf clubs and it was really cool. Did you see anything controversial on the TV? I did see the swim can, yes, the swim incident where the wave came through and there was questions as to whether a few of them had actually gone around, dipped the can or not. Yeah, I wonder where they brought that up on the on the live. Well, but they brought it up on the beach pre the final race. Oh no, I know that, but were they talking about it on the live coverage? Yes, yeah, yeah, Josh Minogue and Courtney Hancock, who did an awesome job on the commentary and always do, brought it up

\[01:06:30\] and. What did they say? Well, were they for it or no? I mean not for it. No ones. Gonna be very diplomatic. They very toed the line. There was no big calls made. It was just because there was a delayed start to the men's final. Clearly there was some protests taking place and that's what Josh was just telling the listeners. There's some protests going on here. This is why there's the latest. So where are you watching that live? Channel 10\. Yeah, right. OK. On, on, yeah, free to air TV. And again, put it back on Free to air TVI know not as many people watch it as they used to. Yeah, but I get the sense

\[01:07:01\] there's it's still there. For a channel flick. It's still there for a channel flick and I will be down there for this, the final 2 events when they're here at Miami in a couple of weeks time. Miami, yeah. Cheese Local. Yeah, it's here the last. Two No, No excuses. No excuses, you better be down there. Well, I was with I was with Ty Dalka this morning having a swim. Oh, you had a swim, You had to hit out. And he obviously, he's the beach. Command on the beach. For it. So that's where I was like, I just get my information after the fact, you know?

\[01:07:33\] Tigers. You the inside. That's why I was wondering whether I was getting the, you know, was it live on TV? Good oil. There you go. Alright, alright, enjoy the podcast, make sure you subscribe, share it with your friends, and we'll see you next week. See you next week.