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# EP 54 - GREATEST SPORTING MOMENTS & THE GOUT GOUT HYPE
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- Published: 2025-10-03T06:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2026-08-20T10:57:48.000Z
- Description: Courtney Atkinson and Liam Flanagan on Olympics & 2032, UTA & ultras — recorded on the Gold Coast.
- Author: Courtney Atkinson
- Tags: Episodes, Main Feed, Olympics, Ultra Running, #Import 2026-07-28 20:58

*Courtney Atkinson and Liam Flanagan on Olympics & 2032, UTA & ultras — recorded on the Gold Coast.*

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\[00:00\] In the beginning, episode 54, Courtney, I'm starting. We've just spoken about this before we hit record and I'm throwing in the deep end here. The fact that you can't think of an answer to this is so brilliant. The question that have literally come from the radio show this morning to your place, and the question that got thrown out in the studio just before we left is what is the greatest sporting moment you've witnessed live? Yeah, and I'm stumped. Now, witnessing for you a two time Olympian means it's not. It can't be a race, it can't be something you've raced in

\[00:30\] personally 'cause you don't witness that, you participate in that. We I need you to tell me the greatest sporting event you've witnessed live. Yeah, and this is what? Oh,, mate, you've I'm I've sat here for three minutes and I'm still stumped. The only. 2 Olympic Games. The only thing that can come in this is live, right? Yeah,. The only thing that can come to mind and it's and I'm not like shouting out going, oh, that's the most amazing thing ever. I remember watching Usain Bolt in the 100 metres at the Olympics in the stadium. What do you mean you can't think of a moment? Yeah, but I'm like.

\[01:03\] You, I'm trying to think what, you know, like in a sport that yeah, I'm stumped. I don't watch, but I haven't. I suppose The thing is I was always competing at things, so there's not a lot of sport I've probably been watching live. So hold on, but you, saw Usain Bolt when he's 100 metres live? Yep. I mean, that's probably an answer. Well, it probably. Is that's a hell of an answer? Where? So which Olympics was this? Well, that's where my paper is going to be tested.

\[01:33\] You're kidding. You can't even remember which Olympics it was at. No, I'm pretty sure it must be in London. OK. And you can't remember you. Do you remember watching it? No, not really.. You? Just know you were there. I was there. I was in the stadium we were at that night, watched a few different events and then went off or also the other live event I can recall going to watch, which was a weird, like it was a weird one for me. So how it works at the Olympics, after event, you have limited tickets for the country's athletes to go off and watch

\[02:05\] other events. It's not like you can just choose where you go to watch. It's still under a certain limitation of tickets and the other one I went to watch was a hockey ruse game. Oh yeah, hockey. Can't say I'd ever watched hockey in my whole life until this one. Semi final at the Olympics and. It was good, though. It was. Oh my gosh, this is this is where I'm disappointed. You made the Olympics and I didn't because I would have saved. At these moments, you just let them wash over your life. It's not.

\[02:35\] Do you know what? You know what? I'm really OK. Let's let's go right in the moment, OK, I'm so disappointed. I've been wanting to watch a couple of the motocross events recently up here in Queensland. There's been some Australian races and there's some internationals who have been out what racing as well. I haven't I've been it's been they've been clashing with just weekend things I've been doing or I've been away or whatever. Now that's where I'm disappointed. That's what I want to go and watch live, OK, I'm after the adrenaline. I want to see something like where that I normally maybe this is where I'm going.

\[03:07\] I like to watch things that I'm like, I can't believe for me, I mean, or something completely unique and different. Gotcha. OK. What about you? So I mean, where do you want me to start? Because. You just go bang, I've got AI. Have AI have one clear winner, but I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to do a podium. For you. OK, so let's start at bronze. We're going to start at bronze and I'm going to give this bronze to because in the scheme of things, it wasn't a massive game or result, But I've, I've like, I,'ve been calling footy

\[03:41\] since 2016, coming up on 10 years of calling games of football. I do anywhere from, you know, 15 to 25 games a year. You do the math on that. I've called over 200 games of footy in my life and I don't I'm not one of those people who like Sean McVay, like we did the experiment the other day where every game I remember, I remember certain games and certain performances. But I in 2017, Sydney Swans, Carlton at the SCG, Buddy Franklin, I got to witness and I remember this game because I

\[04:13\] witnessed the most dominant performance, most dominant performance by an individual player I've ever seen on a football field. Buddy Franklin at his absolute best, flying around, doing as he plays. He kicked ten goals that day. And I remember, I vividly remember calling certain passages of play and thinking, enjoy this, remember this, because this is one of the greatest players we've ever seen at his best. And nobody could stop him, nobody could touch him. It was Carlton defender at the time, Liam Jones, who's now back

\[04:44\] at the Bulldogs. He was here at Palm Beach Currumbin during COVID who had to man up on him at times. And he it was just it was a men against boys with buddy that day, child's play. He was running everywhere. So that's my bronze. That's the that's the most vivid game of football. I will. Mention a runner now and he's a. Runner. Well, I'm. I'm did. I see him out this week. He was out running, doing stuff with the Indigenous Marathon project, I think up in the NT with Dee. Yeah,, he's the plan is New York. Yeah, right. The full Mara 'cause he's done a couple of halves now. So I wonder what event they were? Or was it just an actual? Might have just been something

\[05:16\] for the Indigenous marathon. Project 'cause I recognised the scene. And JC was up there too. Assuming it may have been a long out in the West McDougal range. Oh cool. Yeah, possibly, buddy. And like we're on the Gold Coast, we're working on Buddy. Don't worry about that, we'll get back to that.'s Bronze. Silver's a rugby league game again. Been very fortunate over my years with work to be in the box for games of rugby league, which is a different experience. It's not quite as visceral as being out in the crowd. But State of Origin, I remember

\[05:46\] the first time I ever saw a game of State of Origin at Suncorp and NSW listeners are going to hate this. It's different. It's just different, right? State of Origin in New South in Queensland at Suncorp it is different to New South. Wales. So do you. So of all the footy games you've been to do you just go? Suncorp is the stadium. If I could give somebody the opportunity to witness rugby league in what I think is it's greatest arena, Suncorp Stadium, State of Origin. Can you recall giving me those tickets to the one game? The one game I wanted to see?

\[06:18\] Yeah, Dolphins. Broncos. That's right. First ever home game. There we go. Because I knew forgot about that. I. Knew geez, I'm a generous. Bloke you are a generalist bloke. Oh, thanks, Liam. Yeah. And I took my dad up. That's true. Because I was like, because I grew up. I'm a Queenslander through growing up here. My I've been in Queensland my whole life. So NRL before AFL even was, we even knew what that ball was. You know, you grew up as a kid here and league was everything. It still is AFLW's doing great

\[06:51\] work, but this is still a rugby league state, still at Gold Coast is still a rugby league town. And you know, prior to, you know, then Broncos came along. So as a kid that's, you know, you, became part of Australia in a sport because the Broncos were there. So, and then obviously Redcliffe been around for so long and then suddenly it was his home thing. But I agree with you, there's nothing like being at Suncorp. But it doesn't get my silver medal. Why? That goes to game three. State of Origin 2019, because

\[07:21\] this was the Mitchell Pearce redemption game. It was the Harbour Bridge pass out wide. Blake Ferguson tip toes down the line. NSW scores at the death and wins this game. Now the reason it stands out to me is because I remember. I can remember being in the box for Triple M footy. Mark Geyer, who I was doing a show with at the time, was doing special comments for Triple M footy. And when this was the year that I think it might have been, the year that Freddy Fittler was first coaching potentially, and

\[07:54\] they walked out from the tunnel across the other side of Olympic Park. So it was this really long dramatic walk from the training ground into the new stadium or into the Homebush Stadium and they came out to Metallica's. Enter Sandman. It was. And I can still remember MG going, oh, but he was losing his mind. And when that final best basically passenger play, Mitchell Pearce throwing that past the pass to Ferguson, today's MG, it's almost, I

\[08:24\] remember MG more than I remember the moment I remember watching it. I remember MG jumping to his feet. And that moment in the box stays with me as one of as probably the greatest rugby league moment I've ever witnessed live. But second number one with an absolute bullet. Daylight 2nd on. The edge of my seat, Liam. Matilda's World Cup quarter final penalty shootout at Suncorp Stadium. This game now I some people will think surely there's better. I tell you, Courtney, this was the greatest single moment of

\[08:54\] sport I've ever witnessed. And what were you doing there? We went there with the family, Alana. So this is quick. Well, we got time. Back story was when the Women's World Cup, my wife Alana played soccer, played soccer at a good level for Queensland growing up, loved the sport. And when the World Cup got announced that we were hosting it, she just basically said, I'm buying some tickets. I don't know what games they'll be to, but I'm going to buy some tickets. She bought tickets for 1/4 final and at Suncorp Stadium. And then the whole way through we're like, wouldn't it be great if it was Matilda's game? And we're watching and we're waiting and we're seeing how things are unfolding and then

\[09:25\] all of a sudden we're like, Oh my God, we're going to get the Matilda's. Oh my gosh, it's Matilda's France at Suncorp Stadium, right? That's lucky. Part number one. We what came up on the train, the kids were in there, Matilda's jumpers, the whole, it was incredible atmosphere. The vibe was great. And this is when this is peak Matilda frenzy, right? Yeah,, yeah. So we walk into the ground and we go to our seats, really tense game, back and forth, back and forth. It goes to penalties. Next bit of luck.

\[09:56\] It's at our end. So I'm like, it's at the end. Where do you see we're sitting? We are. We are front row, second tier of Suncorp Stadium, directly behind the goals of the end that they're taking the penalties. OK, so we are just blown. We're like, Oh my God, this is amazing. We're gonna. Get to Aussies around you. It's. Nothing but Aussies. Yeah, it's nothing but Aussies. And I tell you, when Cortnee Vine hits that fight, like my wife was in tears. There are people everywhere around us were in tears throughout this whole penalty shootout because if you don't remember, it goes through the

\[10:26\] five regular penalty takers and then you start to go through the roster. So Mackenzie Arnold was taking. It was unbelievable and when Cortnee Vine hits that winning penalty and wheels off, I thought Suncorp Stadium was going to fall down. It was. The foundations of this place were shaking and I can still feel the moment. I can still remember hugging my daughter next to me. The greatest sporting moment I've ever witnessed. Life. So you've been in Suncorp for that, which you're putting as #1 Yep, Verse. You've been there for State of

\[10:57\] Origin. You've been there for home games for the Broncos. What is the difference in the atmosphere between a like a yeah, a State of Origin rugby league? It's a really good question. A women's soccer game, so. I, don't know if I could the, I think the biggest difference with the Matilda's game is that it was 1 stadium going for one team. It was Australia and those poor French women out there, they were up against it, right? It was basically just a stadium full of Australians cheering for the Matilda's State of Origin.

\[11:30\] Even though it's dominated by Queensland, you still do get big pockets of NSW supporters. So it doesn't quite feel as it doesn't feel like we're all in this together sort of thing. It is more combative for a State of Origin game. What I think makes Suncorp Stadium so special is the intimacy of it in and I know that more people usually translates to bigger and better spectacles. You look at the AFL Grand final the other weekend, 100,000 at the MCG, when that thing is packed, there is no better AFL

\[12:02\] stadium. And yet I feel like Suncorp Stadium is a better stadium to watch rugby league at than Homebush, than Olympic Park, even though Olympic Park holds 30,000 more people. So I I couldn't tell you what the secret source of it is. Conversely, I've been to Allegiant Stadium, which is the Las Vegas Raiders home stadium in Las Vegas now that it wasn't at capacity because I was there for the NRL games. But that as a building is unbelievable. That's such an incredible

\[12:34\] building just to sit in and watch as a spectator. I don't know how it would hold atmosphere if the when like the Super Bowl was there a couple of years ago. But anyway, number one with a bullet, Matilda's World Cup quarter final win over France and it will be tough to beat. Honestly, unless one of my kids wins something I it will be genuinely tough to beat that atmosphere. And all luck to get there. Yeah, meant to be. Yeah, exactly. Oh yeah, the fact, yeah, the whole story of the tickets behind it too. Anyway, yeah, there's a bit of sport.

\[13:04\] Have that conversation with yourself. What? Try and think of it. Are you like me who has a distinct #1 or are you like Courtney, who cannot remember? No, but like I can, I can remember the honest answer is I probably haven't been to as much live sport as what people think. What you yeah, I mean, probably go to events, but we're there often when I'm going to events, I'm there more as a social aspect. And then actually they're to take in the atmosphere.

\[13:35\] That's the other thing. I mean, talking about it's a lot different going to an event for work or for like some type of function or whatever it is and it and it sounds amazing and it is amazing, Don't get me wrong, to be up and, you know, being in the hospitality or, you know, in a certain areas could be, you know, in the pits at a car race. But then it's different going with your mates and getting on the Pierce and then being in the crowd like that's two very different.

\[14:05\] Experiences, very different experiences. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I think, I think actually that was the notable mention I also had talking about this and thinking about this. The minute silence at the MCG in a with 100,000 people on ANZAC Day is a spine tingling moment. It's not so much a sporting moment, I guess, but it is a it's a moment at a sporting ground that never gets old, no matter how many times you go. Talk about keep on the AFL, but let's move to running gout. Yes I loved it.

\[14:35\] Popped up on the starting the half time Sprint. Yeah, starting the half time Sprint. What do you think of that I. thought it was look. It's in context, right? It makes sense it. does make sense. Did his performance at this let's have this conversation. Did his performance at the World Championships justify such an honour? No. This is the question, so let me run through some stats quickly. So Aussie team now that the world's is over from Tokyo, Aussie team performances, 88 athletes were sent from

\[15:08\] Australia to go and compete. We earned 4 medals: gold in the women's high jump, bronze in the women's 1500m (Jess Hull), bronze in the men's pole vault (Kurtis Marschall), and bronze in the women's javelin — which is, no, Danny... Danny Samuels, I've forgotten her name. The javelin throw, and Danny finished fourth in the discus as well, I think. Yep. But what's interesting is if you look at that, we're actually stronger in field. We are too. And given that Nina Kennedy wasn't even there, she was injured. The women's pole vault world

\[15:39\] champion, so. Yeah. I mean field events versus track. Isn't that interesting? Well, it's just a great time for track and field for in Australia. Well, it is because we've talked, I mean, we've talked about running a lot and how, good, just how well running is, transforming in Australia. But if we want to talk elite and you want to talk top of the tree here, we've taken a trade athletes to a common, let's say this is like the, world's as your dress rehearsal for the Olympics. Yes, only comes around every two years.

\[16:12\] We've got 4 medals, three of them are in track. Three of them are in field. Oh. Sorry, Yeah, three of them are in field and you know, so how does that, you know, as we move towards Brisbane? Yeah, as we move towards LA, you know, what's that look for us, what's success actually look for in track and field at least I'm gonna come back to GAP. But what I wanna come to later is I wanna actually talk a little bit about what success actually means for the country. Oh, So what does success

\[16:46\] actually mean for the country? Because that's one of the largest teams we take away in Australian teams, Olympic teams, world teams or whatever it is, bring home 4 medals versus, you know, niche sports. Gotcha. Who have the ability where we get a lot of our medals out of swimming, obviously take away probably a similar sized team I imagine. Yep. Bring home a larger hall of medals. Cycling. Rowing. Yeah. How,'s it all work? And you know, is that what it is?

\[17:17\] But going back to gout, so you think no. Let's go back to Gout. I don't think his performance at the World Championships is like in terms of you're taking, you're taking the single biggest sporting viewership thing on TV and you are giving this individual the honour of starting the thing. I let me answer it quickly in that I don't think his World Championship performance

\[17:49\] warranted that honour, but I think he deserved. I,, I'm happy that they gave it to him and I'm contradicting myself. But I maintain that I love the get hype. I'm on the hype train. I'm if I'm not driving it, I'm sitting seat one eye. I love this. I'm so excited. I want us to get carried away. I want us to get over the top is if sport is not for this type of reaction, then what is? What is it for if it is not for us as fans to get excited and

\[18:21\] feel emotional and become overly invested and then if it doesn't work out completely feel overly let down. And if it does work out we have buddy ticket type parades. This is what sport is about and Gout is giving us a reason to get excited. Give him everything. Give him, give him the opportunity to start these races and I and I hope it continues to go that way, but I would hate to think, well, he can't have anything until he's earned it. Oh, I mean he race bloody. He had an amazing world championship. Look at this. Is where I like I, think, you know, earlier, like back when we

\[18:52\] first started talking, we had this discussion. But I'm a big believer for sports to succeed, you have one hero or you have a hero and a villain. Yes, we did talk about this because we discussed the idea of Gout V Locky, I believe. Yeah, well, Gout V Locky or it's just one hero. Yes. And in this case, I think where athletics are going to win is Gaudi's the hero and they're finally put, they're putting. And whether it's by design or whether it's just by because he

\[19:23\] is the right guy, he, you know, you get a lot of sports asking how do we make that hero? And maybe the answer sometimes is you can't make, you can't, you can't manufacture the hero. They are that type of person. So like, if you went back to swimming, you know, Thorpe was the hero. At the same time, obviously Hackett was there. was a lot of other. Yeah. I mean, there was great swimmers around them. But it was Thorpe who took swimming to at the astronomical

\[19:56\] levels. He was Thorpe who was known as the one, the Thorpe, you know. Yeah. He was the Thorpe though, and this is in the era of I think this is. Exciting at the moment for track and field or athletics in general is that they have got a hero and every single person in the country is gonna know this hero. I love it. I love this. is a great analogy. Just thinking back to the comparison of trying to manufacture, I think since Thorpe, well you could argue Perkins was probably you got Thorpey before Thorpe.

\[20:27\] But then you had like Susie, so Madam Susie was Susie was a dawn. Another one of these Dawn Fraser. Before that you had these in. Duncan Armstrong to an extent, before Perkins. But not on the level of like, but they're all at individual times through generations, right? Yeah, It wasn't like trying to like, I think swimming at the moment and probably for the past. Well, since the war era has been a blanket of we've got 10 heroes.

\[20:58\] Well, and this is what I wanted to touch on as well, because I actually think I don't want to say manufactured, but I think some of those swimmers since Thorpey have probably suffered a little bit of from swimming trying to put them or trying to manufacture them into that hero. Because James Magnussen I would say is probably from a men's perspective, that example of he we, he got put into this, he got seemingly promoted as the next

\[21:31\] hero of Australian swimming, which he wasn't. He was a great swimmer, but from a world standard perspective he wasn't Thorpey really. You know, I don't know. I think there's this is this. You're right on the money. I think it's more of the manufacturing. You can't manufacture. No, that's what. Yeah, it all these different. Let's just say world's a line to make this. It's it's it's a natural happening. So and of course there's people behind the behind this who are pulling strings in the right

\[22:05\] directions to make it happen. I mean, it's by no, it's not by chance that he turned up on it was Channel 7, right? Yeah, Channel 7 have the Olympics. They're trying to men, you know, they've got their hero. He's a hero. Hold. On to do Channel 7 have the Olympics? I'm pretty sure Channel 9's got the Olympics, don't they? For LA. I'm pretty sure Channel 9 has the broadcast rights for Los Angeles. Yeah, it's Channel 9\. Oh, maybe. And Brisbane. They're just. Banking on Oh, there you go. Or finding a way to ambush it.

\[22:36\] Make it appear as though that it's been with 7\. For. Last Olympic Games with Channel 9, OK, I think 9's probably had the most recent one. They've definitely got the next two. I'm not sure what the contract how long it goes for, but to go back to gout. Yep, I totally agree. I love the hero analogy and if gout is the I mean since Kathy have we had a track hero? Probably not a running hero. Within,, within athletics, I would, you know,

\[23:07\] Motrim Craig Mortram was. Yeah, don't know if Mortram ever broke through into the into the public within athletics. Within athletics, absolutely. But breaking through because running is still niche, breaking through into that mainstream culture is the hurdle. That's the that I would say probably that's almost the hero test. If you can bust out of your sport being famous within your sport and being a hero within your sport and become a hero within public culture, popular culture, that's the that's the

\[23:37\] hero hurdle. There you go. We'll call it the hero hurdle. Kathy jumped it, Thorpey jumped it. Some of those are the swimmers of that kind of golden era, Susie, etcetera. They all jumped it. Is Gout about to jump it I? Think Gout has? Jumped. You think he's jumped it? I think he's jumped it without even. Without having to do all the other stuff first, without having to win a 400 metres in front of the eyes of the. World. I mean, I think from a media perspective, proof's already there. I don't have him. I don't think he's jumped it yet.

\[24:07\] Well. He hasn't jumped it because he hasn't there's longevity in what we're talking about as well, right? This is, it's probably been 12 months, 18 months since you know, and he's and he's developing through this right now. I mean, it was his first Test out in Tokyo, which I think you know, he, passed with flying. Colours, Yeah. Oh, he had a great and this and yeah, to that point, 'cause I know there will be people saying oh, he only made a semi final. He's 17, He's finished in the top what, 10 runners in the world?

\[24:37\] Yep, He finished fourth in semi final. That is an incredible performance. And hate making comparisons, but they did make the comparisons with Bolt. Yeah, and from what I read anyway. He succeeded that it's it's he's going better than Bolt was at that age. Hey, in that run that he started, so obviously the spring, you know more about this than me. So how's it work? They get one to each team give have the best sprinter or is it like someone you know takes one for the team? Each team puts forward the bloke

\[25:07\] that wants to go to the grand final because with the AFL Sprint at half time you get 2 tickets to the grand final right? So each team basically says does anyone want to go to the grand final? So the ones who aren't already in Bali. Yeah. The ones that are that are like, yeah I wouldn't mind going, Yep, put their hand up for the half time Sprint. OK, if you haven't seen it, spoilers are spoiler alerts are coming going into it. Like Toby Green, the GWS captain said I'm no chance. In fact I think he was surprised that he actually made the final

\[25:39\] because they run 2 heats beforehand to decide the final runners. Toby said I'm no chance. I'm well I, it's silly that I'm even here but he ran really well, made the final. My money was on Collingwood Beau McCreery because he's run it before and he is lightning. He is a it's interesting because you see watch the game of AFL and you see these athletes who are super quick like your Maurice Rioli who was in the final. I'm trying to think of who else you get the chase down, tackles for the players that pop up out

\[26:10\] of nowhere having run you down. They're the kind of players we think, oh, they'll win this. Week. It's it's not often the case. Max Holmes from Geelong, who played in the grand final is a really good example. He's a power athlete. He's a, he's a, he's a more your Rowan Browning, less you gout build. He's a powerful athlete. And they're the ones that have typically won it over the years. Yeah, but the half time race itself is where the Gold Coast Suns finally won the AFL Grand Final. They got they got Jed Walter. Yeah, he was. And if you told anybody that Jed

\[26:41\] Walter would win the AFL Grand Final Sprint over Maurice Rioli or Beau McCreery, they would have laughed it. Yeah, but he was impressive. Yeah, Long Strider too. And then I saw Harry Garside. Oh, poor old Harry. So is this is this like I said, I'm not across it enough this do they normally do they put a wild card in this? This was a one this. Was born out of social media. I might get a bit of this wrong. Harry's A. Harry's a, Harry's a great fella. He saw the starting list and cheekily posted something like

\[27:13\] I'd I'd dust them all. And the AFL jumped on it because Harry's got a big social audience. They've jumped on it, they've made it happen. And Harry found out. There's a difference between being fit and being fast because Harry is fit. Like I reckon if you if you sent the entire AFL world out in a marathon, the entire every AFL player currently on a list in a marathon, Harry Gal sought to beat them all by 20 minutes like he is a fit human being. What's he run for a marathon? I'm going to call you on that. He ran Sydney and I'm reckon he

\[27:43\] ran A24245\. Really. I'm I'm. Jeez, I'm. 239 you're on the There you go. I don't reckon there's many other AFL players that would comfortably run right now like that's. Not without training, not. Without training, very, different. A lot of them could get to 100% that level with training like Mark Blicavs's the Geelong Ruckman's of Fortman national level steeplechaser. There's athletic ability. But right now, if you shot the gun at the Gold Coast Marathon, Harry Garside get. Through a marathon. Harry Garside's leaving him in his dust, but as I said, he

\[28:14\] discovered that there's a difference between being fit and fast. Baby, you can run a 239 marathon. I'm tipping your Sprint probably isn't the best either, so that's. Probably, Yeah. He got dusted. Yeah, cool. He got dusted badly. Let's can we talk a little bit about our running weeks? Go for it. How's yours you go? I want you to tell me about yours first because I want to check in with you on where your body's at. Yeah,, I'm well this morning. Hour and a half in the forest. Up in the forest, How was it? How was? It I didn't, I didn't go.

\[28:45\] I've been Full disclosure, I've been managing my body A. Little bit. So as it happens, my holidays never come under ideal times. So the week before I went on holidays, I pulled up a bit sore from one of the sessions I did. Went away on holidays to Bali of all places, where the most shit place in the world to try and run is it. That's. Just there's no footpath. Well, where there are footpaths, it's, you know, up that one foot high off the road and there's people everywhere and it's just

\[29:16\] end up running on it. Literally managing myself on a treadmill for 2 1/2 weeks. Been pretty limited running. I've got back home and then gone. OK, let's go. So I've been back running each day. So the way I've approached it is let's get some just mileage back in the legs since I've had a bit of time off. So I've been running up to an hour and a half, just just getting some mileage in the legs following day, just cruising for half an hour, half an hour today, then off. As we're talking today, I'm

\[29:46\] heading down to the snowy mountains to do, which I only found out just recently. I'm going snow snowshoeing. What's snowshoeing? Snowshoeing. So I thought we were going. I thought I was taking a crew of runners from for Red Bull on some trail runs so I was frantically looking is there snow? Where can we go? Might you know? I would have think go up to Kosciuszko would be a nice easy run, but apparently there's a bit more snow around than what I probably realised. Yeah.

\[30:16\] The ski list was still open last week, so there's definitely more snow than what I realised up there at this time of year, so we're going snowshoeing. A winter activity similar to hiking but with specialised footwear called snowshoes, which have large surface areas and metal spikes to prevent you from sinking into deep snow. So the first thing I thought is, yeah, great, let's do something. Let's do something different that I've never done to, you know, it's always good for great. No, it's not great. It's. Not great. Yeah, that's exactly what potentially injured muscle wants is a new exercise. They've been.

\[30:47\] Trying to trying to walk with which looks like a tennis racket on your. Foot. So you're getting injured? Yeah,, pretty. So you're absolutely getting injured. Yeah, this week I'll just add to the flow. Yeah, we didn't do that. No. Anyway. And then the next day of the next day, I'm taking them out for a trail run and I think I found a bit of open track that's a bit higher up on the hill towards Red Bow. So that'll be cool. That'll be cool. So that's, that's my week. I've been just, I've been out running, jogging around. Well, I don't know, maybe it's something in the water, but I

\[31:17\] went for a run, mate was in town, wanted to go for a run. It's a good lesson because I have not done much running with people of late. I just haven't, I haven't been able to get out to the running group at the Spit. So I've been probably, I would say of the last month or so, probably more than that has been solo running. I've I've haven't run with people, just gone, went for a mate, was in town, said do you want to go for a run? I'm like, yeah, I'm actually just putting my shoes on.

\[31:48\] Got didn't do any of my usual this activations and warm ups that I'm doing now. Ran out the door. I just ran out the literally ran out the door and probably ran out a bit quicker than because we're excited. We hadn't seen sure for a while. We had lots to talk about and people out there will know what it's like when you go for a run with someone that you used to run with and you haven't run with for a long time. You're excited, right? The adrenaline gets up probably you look down at your watch and you suddenly realise you're running 15 to 20 seconds quicker than you have been and but you're 4 KS in.

\[32:18\] You're like, geez, what are we doing? I did all that and big bit of car for awareness post run. Oh really big car for awareness. I was just I'd like. Nothing.. No., no,, no,. Nothing dramatic, but I was like just very noticeable to the touch and I was like oh OK, next day just tried to go for an easy and again, nothing like pushing off, running fine. They've been cooling down afterwards to the touch.

\[32:49\] OK,, so. you're working them. So I'm working them, but basically since then I haven't run. I've signed up to a gym because I'm also, and this is a we, talked a little bit about this of late. Running's hard. It's not that hard. You know what you need to do. There's enough information out there. If you listen to this podcast, we've probably said it enough times for you. Yep, if it's time on feet and if you're increasing, you've got to do it incrementally. And if you as you get older in particular, the strength work

\[33:21\] matters, right? And I'm now at a point with my running where I really, I think with the calf injuries I've had historically, I really know where my body's AT. And for the last month since I cancelled my old gym membership, I've known that the case I'm hovering at the time of hours a week I'm is in my limit without getting the strength work back into it. So I've been hovering around that sort of 50 to. 50K like what? What? 50 to 55 KSA week is I've just been and I've been intentionally stopping like this where because

\[33:52\] if I go further, this is when the calves become a problem for me. And the other part, as well as the strength training is the and also I've booked myself in for one in a couple of days time is some needling and some massage because that's the needling is the thing that I've found releases the calves best. So it was funny that I pulled up sore and I haven't run for three days now. And I've just in my head, I'm going you, knew this would happen. You knew your cars were at their limit without incorporating the

\[34:23\] strength back in and getting some treatment. On the good news is like that they're sore, so they're just being worked. Yeah. So it's not like nothing's pull, nothing's pulling. No, there's not actually something going on where it's pulling like that's the foundation of, you know, you probably haven't been running that quick and you've done a run, let it recover as long as you don't go. Over I will say one of the runs in the lead up to the saunas was in the alpha flies. Yeah.

\[34:53\] And I wondered and I was thinking about it after the fact. I was like, I wonder if part of this saunas, part of this working of them has to do with those shoes which are so you know push your you to speeds or carves that you've positions. Well, you think you would have been? After that run though, yeah,, probably. not on the easier run or the run you just went out the door. I'm getting some treatment and I've joined a new gym. Yep, I'm in a minute movement over at Burley Wade and Claire. OK, new gym. Ever been there before?

\[35:24\] I've changed my gym because was previously just at a fitness centre, Palm Beach Primary fitness centre, and I was going in there and just doing my own stuff. Yeah, you need. This is where I've come around to at the moment is even when I know what to do and I'll do it for the point till I get my body actually to a point and then everything's going good. The first thing I do is drop all the and then not. It's not even look, I know you know, it's you know when it's like that. Don't do what I don't do like I don't do what I preach.

\[35:55\] Myself. Yeah,, yeah. And do as I say, not as I do. Exactly. And I know exactly the time it happens. Everything's going really well. And then I'm like, Oh well, no, it's all good now. Again, So I understand where you're going with this because I'm in the same boat where I've said, look, in the end, unless I've got someone I'm paying and I'm accountable to, I'm just going to just go through the same cycle over and over again because it's no longer my 24/7.

\[36:25\] This circle's back. I think for a lot of people listening right now, if you've been listening to the pod for a long time, I think we've kind of, we've hit on some of these messages already, but we're hitting on it again today That it,, it comes back to discipline. It comes back to consistency. It's not about you don't, you're not going to set APB up because you worked really hard in one session. It's consistency and this idea of accountability around a coach. We, explored a lot of this with Benita during the Road to the Gold Coast Marathon series. There's a reason you pay money

\[36:57\] for a coach and that's because they can give you value that you don't give yourself when you're just running by yourself. You know, if you're not accountable to anybody when you're running, you do make mistakes or you make get lazy, dumb decisions and you make dumb decisions. I've made the decision go to this gym and what's interesting about it, the other thing, because the other thing I was kind of missing was training with other people in a gym because I haven't been running with anybody. Are you going to group? Sessions. So I'm going to group sessions and I did my first one the other day. Group sessions or just.

\[37:27\] Strengthen conditioning. Interestingly though, I walk in the gym and you'll like this story. I walk in the gym and I see and we're 15 minutes for the session and there's a bloke pushing sled back and forth. I'm not Courtney, it wasn't Courtney, but it was someone doing those SLED type exercises. You noticed my sled out as you walked in? Yeah. And then we got into the session and I noticed that this same guy who was doing the sled sessions in between the exercises was going over to a plate, just a dumbbell plate set up on the floor and doing little cuff hops.

\[37:59\] And I was, and I just said that bloke has had calf issues. He is doing all the exercises that I know that I've talked about. And I went up and met him after the session and introduced myself. His name is Jerry. He's a ripping fella runner, Roadrunner who's had multiple soleus issues. And we, were having a big old chat about all this. He's done the Melbourne Marathon. He and Melbourne marathon was funny because he told a really relatable story about he wanted to try and hit average 4 minute

\[38:29\] pace for the Melbourne marathon per K and he got too excited. Was it 18 minutes through the 1st 5K He was moving. He was yeah, but hit 21 and completely blew up and was crying and he said he finished the marathon in like 3 O 8 or something. Still a great but he was just it was just the worst possible race and he hasn't done one since. But anyway, got into this gym session and this is we talk about a lot of running terminology. I think we've explained some of it over the over the episode

\[39:00\] like float and tempo and interval. And we talked a bit about strength exercises. Mate, gym language is a different language. You're right. Wade stood there in front of the group. Explain the set. They like a lot of acronyms, so. Mate, I literally I had to go up. It was like going over to Japan and having to say, is there an interpreter? I literally said, wait, I didn't understand any of that. And he just thought he was great because he said it's fine, I'll walk you through today and I'll walk you through.

\[39:30\] I'll walk you through this whole week. In fact, we'll get you there. But I realised just I was thinking about it because we in Australia, we're isolated. We don't have neighbouring countries that speak different languages. And we go, I go, I know you probably had it when you're living in Europe, all these people that can speak French and German and all these different languages and you get envious of that. Gym language is a second language like it is a, you know, and you probably find it actually in the motorbiking world as well. Mountain biking's probably got its own language. Well. Every sport's got its own language to a degree.

\[40:01\] Triathlon's got its own language. You're multilingual, you can speak triathlete. You can speak. Motor sport, triathlete, you can speak. When anyone says triathlete, you can speak triathlete. Yeah,. You can speak triathlete. But anyway, I'm back in the gym because my cars have hit a point where I'm feeling great, My body feels really good and I'm really enjoying running. But it might know I've hit that tipping point where I'm going to get injured unless I start doing all the right stuff that we talk about. Is there anything running wise

\[40:31\] that's exciting you at the moment over the next? I don't know. What have we got? Three months, four months to Christmas 3\. Months. Honestly, it's a bit weird because this is probably the first time in. It's probably the first time in almost 10 years that I don't have an event I'm training to. Yep, because of not being in Noosa this year, that's normally a flagpole of my athletic year and because I don't have that to train to at the moment, I am called in a little bit of a just training phase, which is fine for now, but I know I need to find something.

\[41:03\] I do still have the draught email in my inbox to Ironman Australia about UTA Miler. It's there like it's half written asking about getting involved with the 160K race next year. It's around May now. Interesting because when I spoke to this to Reedy friend of the podcast, he grimaced when I said I've got this email half written. He went you wouldn't do the 100K first because I've done 50 a couple of times. He's like, you wouldn't do the 100K. And I'm, as I said to him, I'm I'm kind of like in for a penny,

\[41:34\] in for a pen. I'm going to do it. If I'm going to hurt myself in the Blue Mountains, I might as well go the whole hog. A. 100K you can't go back to the office and go. I just ran 100K. Yeah, well, you can't these days, no. You can't just normal. So I've got that draught, I've got that draught. I'm. Joking anyway. I've written to Craig Hayden, Chat it to Craig. It might be landing in your inbox fairly soon, but radio is trying to tell me that I'd need to be going out and just doing like 2 hour stair sessions in preparation for that because that UTA course through the Blue Mountains is so stair based, which doesn't really sound

\[42:05\] appealing. Well, I mean, like we said, it depends on how you treat it. Just treat it like a day or two days out of adventure, because there's not even a day. And I've talked a little bit about this before, but the thing for me with that race and the reason I'd be motivated to do the 160K as opposed to the 100K is the flow on opportunity of UTMB. Yep. And because my best mate Ed, who I did defiance with, I've spoken a bit about this part before. He's doing the Milo next year. He's already qualified. No, he's racing the He's already signed up to do the UTA 180 OK to try and qualify.

\[42:39\] So he actually got drawn out for UTMB and got a spot. Oh, right. OK. But he let it go because timing just was weren't working with family stuff. Yeah. And he'd always said we should both put our hands in to try and do it together. Now that would be the dream, to have a reason to travel over to Chamonix, over to Europe for UT MB with my best mates. Especially the way it's going over there now, it's like it would just be from strength to. Strength, unbelievable. So there's kind of that and also

\[43:11\] the and then as again, I'm verbal diarying about this, but as I think about it, I'm sort of going, well, my body's only going to deteriorate from here. Like I'm 41 now. You think you'd get in get in sooner? Than later I think my athletic best is ahead of me physically like I'm running well got probably got PBS ahead of me you. Were telling us not long ago that you've got your best marathon still I still. Think I have those ahead of me, but I don't think my body's going to, you know, gravity's going to take hold eventually. It's all going to deteriorate eventually.

\[43:42\] True. So I'm thinking about all that. Hey, I've got a question for you. This came from Graham Snow, who's a long time listener of the podcast and who has sadly he's fallen victim to. This is a bit of an old man injury podcast. He went out and played a game of touch football. Oh, what do you reckon he did? Well, probably. A calf a little bit higher hammy. He's done his hammy now he has sent a message saying I'm going to need some tips on runners. MV one week down with his

\[44:12\] hamstring. He's already jumping at the bit. He's asked, he's asked us how did we deal with not going stir crazy because you couldn't run due to injury? I told you I talked about this. I mean, it's two ways you can go about it. The first way is you just go cross, training, crazy cross training. Yeah, if you don't mind swimming, jump in the pool. If you can do white, you know, get to the gym and do upper body or whatever, doesn't hurt the hemi.

\[44:43\] Snowy couldn't punch through a wet tissue, so OK. So that's it. He's not going to turn into a. Gym you go accept it and go the whole other way and just learn. Let go, take it. Take some time, especially. I mean I don't know him if you're that way inclined that you just are so that a type personality who's just on, on,, on. And you've got so much going on in life as well as you're on in trying to run.

\[45:13\] Take the force time away to give yourself a little bit of a break and just slow down a bit. That's my advice. And you guys know it. Got the comment. I was talking it was a it was triathlon. I do believe here,'s one for you. We talk a lot of running. There's a lot more runners out there at the moment who are into running. Yep, triathletes, you'll find more A type personalities in triathletes than you do in runners.

\[45:44\] When I say, and I'll explain that, I think when you go down the rabbit hole in triathlon, you go deeper, way deeper than running. And I think that's got also to do with the three sports. The more time attributed to it, the gear, more gear, more time. But triathletes. And so the comment that I had was we wanted to go and do an activity. I won't mention the names, but we wanted to go and do an activity and it was like, we

\[46:14\] can't do, and these are damages. We can't do that activity because that might hurt us and triathlon and we and, you know, as triathletes, it's more important. Yeah. And I'm like, you're not, you're not making your bread and butter out of triathlon. Life. I see, I see, I see. For me it was a career. I suppose so when I was and I still went out and did dumb shit. But you because of a sport and because of what you're putting

\[46:46\] all your eggs in at that time, maybe, just maybe sometimes you're missing out on some fun things that you're you're you're not allowing yourself to do because you're so intertwound down this route. I've got to do everything Now. I know there's people out there who will say well, but that's, that's what I love and I'm invested 100% and great all in been there 100% done that, probably done it in running too much even this year a few times. But yeah, it was an interesting comment and that's where I'm coming from that I do

\[47:17\] believe triathletes are far, more down the rabbit hole than runners. Quickly so to Ling it back to snowy. I do want to come back to you Courtney, but to Ling it back to snowy. So that idea of should he have said no to playing touch football because it would ruin his injury. Maybe some you know, hindsight's 2020 life is for living. Maybe change like say yes. It's like, what's the new? Not pickleball. Put out, put out. Paddle. It's called paddle. Yeah, we've had, we've had this conversation.

\[47:47\] We have not. Yes, we I have never heard that it is called. It's paddle, tennis paddle. It is not called paddle. It is not. Called pronounced paddle. PADEL. You're saying paddle? Yeah, not paddle. Are you saying it's pronounced paddle? The reason I know this is. Spanish. Oh my gosh, you're changing my life right now. Have you ever played padel? No, I've never.

\[48:18\] How can I play something if I don't know how to say it? I use. It's not called. It's it cannot be pronounced padel. How do we find something here? Hold on, how do you this is this is? There'll be one of those things that tell you the name. No. The reason I think this I, hope I'm on the right track. It's. Spanish, so it's. Because I'm going to be, I'm going to be like. Padel Tennus. The reason the reason is Red Bull took on Red Bull sponsored the Australian Open, Yes.

\[48:48\] And as part of that, there's a little they have out in, you know, the social area. Yeah, there's a Paddell Court and in the, in the in the office, I was always calling it Paddle.. Paddle but. And someone's corrected. It OK, I've been. Corrected. I've found a page. This is such a big moment for me if it turns out it is called Padal. Is that how you're saying it? I think, Sidal, we're about to find out how you pronounce this silly sport. Here we go. You're looking at how to

\[49:22\] pronounce these. Name the name of this sport. Let's break down the pronunciation. In the US it's pronounced as Padal tennis, but some people also say it as paddle tennis, Paddle tennis or Paddell Adele sounds. Like. We're both right. Now you're looking at how to

\[49:53\] pronounce these. Name the name of this sport. Let's break down the pronunciation. Jeez, you pick the slowest guy on the planet. In the US it's pronounced as Padel Dallas, but. Look, you can't this, it is pronounced padel. The,, the I can't organise. The organisers would like it called that. It's known as padel.

\[50:23\] I can't do that anyway. Off the pronunciation it's I'm when I was over in a hotel just recently, they had a couple of the courts out there like always thinking about what's it like a family activity. You know no one wants to come running you. Know a couple? Of hours in the forest with me or whatever. What's a what's a family activity. Everyone can join in and you know, get in. And I thought, well, tennis is when I think tennis like on a full court, I think calves, hamstrings, you know, it's too you know, if you'll jump, smash, jump, that's recipe for

\[50:56\] something to break. However, on the pad Paddell court, I think, I think you could manage. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, sorry. It's going to be a good sport. So I'm going to come back to you on that, Liam and I'll, I'll send an invite if we get into it. All right, Snowy, next time you get the Cavs and the Hammies fit, no more touch, go play paddle. I'm never going to not wince when you say paddle. So just to go back, the idea of I,, it jumped at me that when you talked about the idea of not

\[51:27\] doing dumb things for the sake of your sport, even at an amateur level, do you remember something you did, an activity, an exercise, an event, something you might have gone and done with your mates that you did during your career that in hindsight probably risked not your career, but certainly a season, injury, something like that? No, I mean, well, you just, it was, it was OK. So. surfing would have been as close to risk as what I would have done then. Did you any of your sponsors have clauses?

\[51:59\] Here. Because the obviously that's really common in, you know, American sports, the old skydiving claws. And I'll let her do that in the season. I don't think so. I don't think so, not that I can recall. May maybe some of the like maybe a New Balance Japan or someone possibly could have had it in there, but I wouldn't have thought anyone would have followed through it.'s probably different in a if you're in a team environment, sure, because if you're in an individual environment and you do, it's on you. know, there'd always be a clause in there that, hey, if you can't compete, you don't

\[52:29\] have to pay anyway in some shape or form. Did you miss out on anything that you can remember distinctly? Like was there a trip or is there something that you, a whole bunch of people were doing that you went? Oh, sorry guys, there's. Plenty,, plenty of parties. Yeah, right. OK. There's plenty of times that, you know, I probably was like, you know, but over time it probably just got to the point where I did everything I loved anyway. Yeah, in the early days we partied pretty hard as well. It definitely changed. That's something the Olympics

\[52:59\] did change in our in the upper echelon of the sport of triathlon for me throughout my career is like when we were young, we would still probably more what, like the footy, you know, and footy's changed too. But we would play as hard as we'd race, Yeah. And over time, that changed to be like I'd love to. Still see? That you're a full time professional. I'd love, and unfortunately people like me, punters and the media are to blame that we don't see that as much anymore, that

\[53:29\] characters are disappearing from our sports because we're so hyper critical. The world has become so critical and so hyper focused on any time an athlete, an individual, particularly young ones put a foot out of line, it becomes World War three online or it becomes a reason that sponsors should abandoned these people. That I feel like we are breeding the characters out of most sports, which again is probably to circle back on this episode, is why Gout is such an

\[54:01\] entertaining, exciting and looking at that hero hurdle, because he doesn't seem to be impacted by that. He is unashamedly himself. Whereas I feel like there's a lot more robots in all of sport than there used to be. But that's changed with socials. Exactly. That's the other part. Of that, is the change. That's why it can't happen anymore because there's a camera everywhere you go. So in the like prior to that. Do you reckon warning would have been warning in this era? I feel like warning would have been warning in any era, yeah.

\[54:33\] Probably would have just rolled off his back end. Yeah. You know, like you talk about, we talk about heroes being not manufactured. Yeah, the same thing in a way. The personality. Sometimes that type of personality is going to succeed regardless as well. Yeah, it's in their, it's in their nature of their nature. That's just inherently who they are. Yeah, I'm fast, like you probably realise listening to us to talk over time, but kind of like being in that field. But then also like being around brands and looking at how, you know, how do you find the one?

\[55:08\] How do you find the one? How do you identify the one? But not from a performance point of view. It's like how do you get that athlete that for a brand X Factor is going to be like that? Not only the performance, but they're the one that will, you know, resonate with the public. They're the one that will resonate above. You know, they might put a foot, or two wrong. That's not going to cancel them. It's only going to actually probably add to the, you know, the evening mirror, make them even stronger. This is a fascinating we should

\[55:39\] explore this a little bit more with on a later episode because it's a fascinating, conversation. The truth, I think at the at the behind the scenes of all these brands and the management agencies, the way they find the one is take 1000 swings. They are, I think you. I think these brands take more swings than we realise. Once the player, once the athlete, the individual hits the spotlight. It seems like these brands found

\[56:11\] the one. It seems like they guessed right. It seems like they did all the work to identify this once in a generation talent, when in the reality I reckon there's probably thousands of missed swings or missed shots or shots, athletes rather behind them. But then there's also some businesses out there who are very, good at just getting it right. They get it right, they get it right. I'll give you when I'm, I'll give you an example just quickly on that. I know for a fact there are AFL players who are managed by managers who they feel don't

\[56:45\] give a crap about them because 5% or 10% of whatever they're earning is nothing on the 5% or 10% of whatever their biggest client earns. So there's, because they, the, some of these management groups just have too many clients. They can't service them all to the same level, which is business, right? It's, and I don't begrudge the, managers that they're in the business of making money and they're doing it. But because this one talented player wasn't as talented as this other player, as marketable

\[57:16\] as this other player, they fool by the wayside. So that's what I'm talking about in terms of the taking 1000 swings to find that one home run. Do you know is any of the footy players self managed? Yeah, some of them are, yeah. For their contracts, For their player. Contracts, I don't know about the player contracts. I think you need to be an accredited market. You have to have a accredited register. But I'll give you an example and I'm sure you won't mind me showing it because he's talked about it publicly before. But Wade Graham, the former Sharks player who I've worked with over the years, he negotiated his last contract himself, OK. And he didn't. It wasn't an acrimonious separation with his manager, but he just said he was at the back

\[57:49\] end of his career. And he said to him, mate, I don't know how to do this. I know how to do this to get the best deal for myself. I know how to do all the third party stuff. I know how to handle this. Thank you. But I don't need you anymore. And I think that's an incredible sign of maturity in an athlete. Yeah, so they can self represent. Well, that's in the NRL, I don't know about the AFL, I wouldn't speak about it in the AFL, but the NRL, yeah, Wade Graham did the last matter of his contract himself. So yeah, it's interesting. You know, we just talked about Paddell Paddle. That tennis game.

\[58:21\] Yesterday the Saucony. Oh no, we can't. We. Can't. No,, no listen. No, listen. We if Saucony brings out pedal tennis, we're out. We're out. No, I saw. I just want to like we finish off with some running, OK. There was an event called the Maze that they did. Oh yes, I saw this. Yeah, I don't know why I swore it. Because Ed Goddard, a certain team won Ed Goddard up there potentially, but it caught my

\[58:54\] way, the seat it was. In Paris, No, that was a nose year. This is called the maze soul. Yes. Let me translate this because there's obviously been a lot of you know, we've been talking every week about type stuff, but for some reason this one caught. Maybe it's just the yellow. They've used yellow brand, yellow, and orange branding is always really strong, especially on socials. But application for the Maze Soul is now open. OK, so. Oh, OK. So the winning team gets a

\[59:25\] chance to participate at the Big Coney 10K Big Coney. Did I just pronounce that? Right. No, I don't know. This is yeah, I love the idea. Again, more relay events, team events, gimmick events. It's great. So. It's pretty much an they've, they've done a relay around an urban, I'm just watching it now around an urban environment. So like through it looks like they go down through a car park back up. Interesting to get an Australian team across to it. I mean, that's what's got our attention right? That there was Aussie.

\[59:55\] Teams I'll tell you a quick story, a running related story. Do you probably didn't go through this Some people might have when the kids. So you used to come to your school to do testing to try and identify it was like athlete ID programmes. Yeah,, I will. I didn't go through it at school, but I remember the system. I think I'd, I think I'm, I did it once at school and I did it once through a little athletic thing I was doing at the time. And they used to, and in one of them, they generated a list of sports that you'd be good at.

\[01:00:26\] Yes, what were your what were your sports Lam do? You know what the number one sport for me was? Ping Pong Orienteering.. Number one with a bullet on my list. Oh, I. Want to know why that was even on the Why were they trying to tell an ID for orienteering? We do have an Australian orienteering team. Orienteering was the number one sport on my list and I think I

\[01:00:56\] think I'd done well in the beep test. I think I had a good yeah,, aerobic base and I don't know, maybe I told him where the toilets where I pointed him in the right direction. I don't know how orienteering turned up, but that was the number. One can you remember the other sports at all? Oh. No, a couple of people went like one of the girls who I was in my year did the same testing, went to the Olympics. She won a bronze in kayaking and the KE. Kayaking was strong on talent. They were always looking for the those rolling,. Kayaking things that you know, height. So all I'm saying is the maze. I'm here for it.

\[01:01:28\] If it's about navigating and running, I'm here. I can do this. Put me in coach. I'm ready to go, you know, tell an ID. There was, I mean, I was prior to me, but there was nothing I like. I was, I was insurance, yeah. I was anything that was quick, fast twitch fibre, I was shit at. So there was never going to be, there was never going to be an issue with where, you know, it is anytime I was put into something that had a bit of, you know, distance and suffering. Yeah, that. Then I'd come out on top. Yeah.

\[01:01:59\] Yeah. And you think that was, you know, power based or spring based? I had no choice. Or reflex based? Reflex based also. Courtney, I had to bring it to your attention. But you know what's needed for Paddell tennis, don't you? Quick reflexes. And hand eye, yeah, coordination. Don't worry. This is we're gonna bring one night when we're like got the Thursday night Paddell championships going on, Liam. I'm in, I'm in, I'm there for

\[01:02:30\] it, but I just can't. If I turn up and they say welcome to padel tennis, I'll turn around. I can't just call it battle. We're here. All right, very nice. There you go. Enjoy your weekend, enjoy your running. Quick tip for the NRL grand final of people listening to this before Sunday. Why do you even? Ask Mighty Broncos who wins? Clive Churchill. I'm gonna put Walshy in. Walshy, I'm gonna say Pat Garrigan pays back the club for missing the prelim with a. Big performance. Do you actually think the Broncos can beat? Yeah, I do. You do? Absolutely. Yeah..

\[01:03:00\] I had a bit of a bit of damning with Adam Reynolds after the game on the weekend. Yeah. They're they're they go. They're on. You've got the, I've got the, you've got, you've got some inside. I've got some inside going on as well. There you go. Alright, very good. Put the money on.